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It would ruin the game. |
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Nobody would use conditional moves if that were the case, |
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I take it I have not used them to finish a game , as i don't want to rub my opponents nose in it ,i have used them in the middle of the game ,though, a type of gentleman's conduct so to speak , an unwritten code |
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baronderkilt 09-Aug-11, 17:19 |
kansasjayhawk ... Actually I feel like there is more psychology to it when the moves are known. It also permits the two players to "agree" without agreeing to leave the normal opening book sequences and guarantee to differ from theory. Such as: 1.e4 .... If 1...Nf6 then 2.e5 / 2....b6 then 3.b4/ 3...e6 then 4.Bb2/ 4...d5 then 5.Nf3 / 5...Nd7 then 6.a3 / 6...Bb7 7.d4 Or just 1.d3 if 1...h6 2.h3, 2...a6 3.a3 ***** And so the opponent could accept the entire sequence and play from a somewhat different position than normally arises, and then it is up to the abilities of each player to discern the significance of the differences. Or of course the opponent could accept only part of the variation given and play from there with their own move choice. **** But another factor of showing the conditional moves available, even during the course of a normal book game, is giving the opponent more analysis to consider before they reply; since of course they would wish to scrutinize each of the responses offered to make sure the opp has not blundered or committed themself to a position that the player can take advantage of, or try a TN they have been wanting to use, or just they kind position they like. **** I'm sometimes tempted to show the conditional here in a game message. Another useful aspect was, that you could show that all sequences lead to Mate, which was an appropriate thing to do ... whereas asking for a Resignation is not. But it allows you to show the opp that you do know the position and how to handle it. |
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baronderkilt 09-Aug-11, 17:26 |
PS// So perhaps Another great aspect, at the very beginning of the game you can show several known openings that you like, as options. Like to move 9 of a mainline Lopez. And also to move 7. of a French Winawer. And the opponent can choose to meet you on that known turf if he likes the Other Side of that variation. So the players can play from a position that interests both of them. |
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Infinite conditionals? I should have tried 30!But I have no idea what the limit is on conditionals,if any?It use to be 10 moves I think a few years ago on GK. |
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When to use conditional moves |
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I have been using conditional moves less frequently.. them, either because they don't know conditionals are an option, or because like recent one opponent (who had requested a fast game specifically because he was about to go on vacation, thus me setting lots of conditionals) reasoned that a human could not have predicted his moves so accurately. |
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Kansas, Kansas,you tell your opponents that try and accuse you of using a computer with conditionals...."how would you know,unless your using a computer yourself?"See? And this would go for conditionals out of book as well.Think of it as a logical counter-argument! For example...You and I are on move #54 and I just plugged in 12 conditional moves long after the game moved out of book.Your opponent accepted all of the 12 conditional moves that you plugged in.Out of 500 possible move combinations or more,your opponent "just happen"to accept your 12 conditional moves.Hmmmmmm...lets think about that!Seems to me,your opponent might just be using a computer to also agree with your conditional moves....right? So then he tells you you might be using a computer?No,you tell him that you think it is HIM using a computer to "just happen"to be accepting those 12 or 15 conditional moves you sent!It works both ways Kansas!See,your opponents usually do not think that way,in a reverse scenario!So you must "enlighten"them! I always fantasize about sending 50 conditional moves from start to finish and watch my opponent get mated!That would be cool!Would I be using a computer?No,the question is... Was my opponent using a computer to agree with my long string of conditionals?So in the end,no player should accuse another of some kind of cheating,if they,themselves are activating all those conditionals!This is only common sense! TA rests his case!Court session over! |
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well said!!!! slow. Ok if they want to take there time fine.I will use that time to study all possible continuations and find the best moves i can make and the best for them. I will set conditional moves 3 sometimes 4-moves out(even more if the moves are more or less forced) unless the position is too fluid for that. |
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Conditional move extremes.... Add it up!That was 132 conditional moves in 4 subset variational lines on ONE POSTCARD!!!!!! And the 4th set had a secondary "branch"of conditionals on the 32nd move which branched out to another possible 10 moves,or 42 moves!!!So it was..."If"...."or if".So in reality,i believe that was 142 possible conditional moves!And some of you guys don't like 4 or 5 conditionals?Ha ha! Too complex for alot of you guys?I hope so,thats the idea!!!! Baron would understand what i'm speaking of! Now is this cheating?of course not!MCO-12/13 books had everything postal players needed to plug in opening book moves and variations....totally legal. But confusing or possibly slightly nasty?Ha ha,Perhaps! Alot of postal players(mine being more the outer edge of extreme)did these conditional move branches to actually confuse the opponent into blunder.Sometimes I would plug in a move that was bad for my opponent,and he would simply accept it to avoid reading the other 3!Or he would choose a weaker line,in which they actually were ALL weaker cond.move lines!Or he would plug in his own move after ACCEPTING my previous cond.move and this would be an illegal move on his part.Sometimes all the cards had to be sent into the USCF correspondence center(Joan Dubois)and she had to arbitrate and make a decision on the move or game.After that,many of my opponents resigned from simply being told they made an illegal move out of the conditional string due to the fact of geting frusturated!!!! Lovely! Psychology exists even on a postcard!(and I wrote the book on that subject!) TA |
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Conditional moves... games (especially at 5d+ time controls) can get very long and chances are I'll forget my own analysis until my opponent's next move. I know there's the game notes, but why should I type all that stuff when I can enter it via a virtual chess board? As has been pointed out above, conditionals are acceptable form in regular corr chess, and I don't see why that should be different here. If an opponent feels offended, he can just tell me, and I won't use them (unless he's obviously dragging out a lost game), but you can be assured I never use conditionals for psych reasons. I think it's more in our own heads: If we want to take insult from conditionals, we do, otherwise it's just another method of entering your moves. Just my 2 cents |
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baronderkilt 27-Feb-12, 01:02 |
Happy coincidence ~! I would like to have the ability to make a Conditional that is for eg, "If 39. ... Qxf3 then RESIGNS" ... and have the ability to make my Congratulations Note to the opponent at that time also, conditionally. If he played 39. ... Kh7 or any other move than ... Qxf3 then of course the game continues and the opponent never knows of the conditional resignation. In the same vein, I would like to see the ability to Claim A Draw similarly, such as third repetition, or 50 move rule, etc. To also have a Conditional Draw OFFER seems only a bit harder to do that way, since it would send your Response to his IF acceptance to him first, and then show the draw offer. But only if he did play your IF. EG I send him "IF 39. ... Qf5 Then 40.Kg2 {"Your Opponent Offers a Draw, do you accept: yes / no" } And that Question would never show up until after your Kg2 move appears on his board. |
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Baronderkilt ..... resigns... It's the way i play , i enjoy even in defeat as long as i have learned something, when he responds it can be good to learn his mind set , did he get lucky or did he set me up ? In the past this has lead to some excellent rematches , On this site i have received many challenges after a win , hopefully it is because my opponents (turning into chess friends) have enjoyed the game as much as i have , I think it would be a good idea |
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Botvinnik on conditional draws in Botvinnik-Smyslov 1941 although when we consider the realm of conditional draws, I think it was in the Absolute Championship of the USSR in 1941 that Botvinnik had a real fit, when Smyslov ventured something along these lines. |
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liam1260 14-Mar-12, 07:12 |
Not in the Opening as I consider this the Introductory period with my opponent. And the immediate response of the C.M. is immediate and reminiscent of a computer. In comparing with OTB games, C.M.'s might be considered moves made remotely when the player is away from the board. Both these ideas maybe why offense is taken by the online receiver. Maybe both players should be available when a Resignation or Draw offer/accept is presented. This leads me to asking myself can a game reach an Outcome if one or both players have their Vacation flag up. |
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Conditional moves |
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conditional moves?? when you are playing days/move why do you want to speed it up?? if you want fast play then go for blitz. |
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Conditional Moves Gameknot should have an option, so a player can set him/her self up, so conditional moves cannot be made against a player that does not want conditional moves. In my opinion, 'hiding' conditional moves serves no purpose. And of course this person would not be able to make conditional moves against any of his/her opponents. |
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