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 True or False?<<"When you have a very bad position, but not a lost position, as long as you play the best move, things won't get worse and you won't lose.">> True? or False? |
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rockall 20-Jun-12, 14:20 |
Yes. The idea is either almost a tautology, a semantic quibble, or a variation on Steinitz's principles. Obviously if a position is bad enough, it can lead to a loss, no matter how well the opponent plays. But then the author might merely argue that such a position is a lost position; so that case does not disprove my point. I think the author is trying to convey the idea that a bad position does not always lead to a worse position, so one should not give up the ship easily. |
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False |
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rockall 21-Jun-12, 07:39 |
amacivn because he is pointing out the error of making a premature attack. exeterchessclub.org.uk And I certainly agree that in my experience, when I make a mistake against a good player, he will usually exploit the mistake and will usually make my situation worse. But it is not a given that my opponent will be able to win, even if he plays perfectly. |
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Rockall The notes make a lot of sense , I need creativity as i do not enjoy getting bogged down in defence , which is probably my weakness of mine , I do try to "force" positions i prefer on opponents , but when it goes wrong it goes wrong ! |
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tactical_abyss 21-Jun-12, 13:00 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 21-Jun-12, 13:16.
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Your opponent in a quick 3 minute sudden death blitz endgame Queens one of his 3 remaining pawns against a few sparce pieces you have remaining,say your lonely King,Rook and a pawn. There appears to be about a full 30 seconds left on his clock and yours. It also appears that he has you in a mate in say... 7 or 8 and in no way do you have him in any trouble.His other 2 pawns are located on YOUR 2nd rank and are also about to Queen.He keeps calling you a bad name and says other things like...why are you not resigning?Your position DOES look TOTALLY hopeless and he will DEFINITELY Queen the other 2 Pawns to punish you even more!This will give him 3 Queens to your non frozen pawn on your own 3rd rank(that could not possibly Queen for many moves,if even possible at all)and your lonely King and Rook. Should you resign out of good sportsmanship and what appears to be a mate in 7? Answer:NO Why?Do you know why? Anyone know? Answer later. |
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baronderkilt 21-Jun-12, 14:01 |
true .. On the otherhand, playing the very best move in a "Lost Position" may salvage it unless the opponent also plays best moves. Yet objectively, It WAS still a LOST POSITION. lol. A friend in class A asked me right when I made Expert in otb, what the difference was. So I told him, "now I see when I am losing sooner. Before my opponents notice so that I get time to do something about it~!" Funny, yet it was true. Something like the old saying of getting to Heaven before the Devil knows you have died ... works for Chess too }8-D |
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Yes,the answer is true that you should not resign,however,that is not the answer of "why not"I was seeking! It may appear to "me" that it is a mate in 7,but.... 1.It may not be known by my opponent(mate in 7).I mentioned I know its a mate in 7 or 8,but not necessarily him.Or he may not know exactly how to proceed with the PROPER mating sequences,thus,the so called mate in 7 under time constraints of 30 seconds,may not yield a mate. 2.With so much power on the board,he could EASILY slip up with perhaps 15 seconds left on his clock with 3 Queens and create a STALEMATE! I've had this happen to me sooooooo many times I cannot count!I leave my opponent go in for 3 or 4 queens and sure enough,under time pressure he makes one slip up where i'm not in check but have to move my King(perhaps my Rook was taken and my pawn or pawns are frozen for example.)Stalemates are very common in 2 or 3 minute blitz.You have to be extremely cautious with so much power on the board.Many times it is NOT advisible to go in for extra Queens.I even suggested to a hot head once to go in for his other Queens and laughed at him.He got mad,had 4 Queens on me and ended up stalemating with 4 seconds left on his clock.Then he was 5 times as mad!!!!!Good!Lesson over! 3.Mate in 7 or not,he could time-out or disconnect accidently. But the main point here that I am trying to stress is the stalemate possibility,even under a mating net. |
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baronderkilt 22-Jun-12, 07:15 |
IHA The Prove It stage is shorter the better the opponent is. And may even be shortened by the fact of wanting MY OPPONENT to know I can see the Mate in 7 for the Next Time we play. Or I might plug in conditionals for the Mate in 7 showing I saw it too. Quite likely. |
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But in the case of the blitz scenario I mentioned above(not reg.corresp game) a player #1.does NOT want to tell your oppont. that there is a mate in anything for the very reason that this increases the probability of a stalemate with added Queens and #2.There are no conditionals in blitz.Now if what I was speaking of was actually a regular corresp game,not a 3 min blitz game,I would have thrown in the towel even before my opponent Queened his first pawn.Blitz is a horse of a different color. |
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the context of the opening quote by Ralph Betza: "When you have a very bad position, but not a lost position, as long as you play the best move things won't get worse and you won't lose. "However, even the slightest mistake makes things worse, and the game is soon over if you slip at all. "When you have a very good position, but not a won position, if you make a small mistake you will still have a very good position; just not quite as good as it would have been if you had played the best move. "The player with the inferior position needs to play more precisely than the player with the good position, but we are all human and we all make mistakes. Therefore the player with the superior position has the better chance to win. "This is why an advantage that is not enough of an advantage to force a win is still sufficient to produce a higher winning percentage. . . "This is the inner meaning of 'positional advantage'. . . "When you have a very good position, but not a won position, if you make a small mistake you will still have a very good position. ">> |
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Many players say for this reason that blitz is garbage chess,but how wrong they are! For I have won many OTB games at 40/2 hours for example,when my opponents clock and mine were close to the flag dropping on both sides and I began my strategies I learned over the decades in 2 or 3 minute blitz,just winning with 2 seconds left on my clock and zero seconds on my opponents clock.Hmmmmm...blitz in a 40/2 game! |
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