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 Current status of Dutch
Is it used still? (1. d4 f5)
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Whether they use it or not when playing as black, I think any 1.d4 players must be prepared for that kind of defense. Just too many traps and tricks. Since black's Leningrad Variation is imo quite assymetrical, which was confusing for me when I played 1.d4 in the past, I preferred to learn only the Staunton Gambit as the anti-Dutch system.
Currently I'm looking up into 1...c5 as an alternative answer to 1.d4. This thread gave me a new idea. The Dutch might be a better option.
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I just looked into the Dutch. The Leningrad variation has a structure similar to the King's Indian, but King's Indian is definetely favourable. The Stonewall variation is on the other hand better. The equivalent variant to the Stonewall in KI lines is the Gruenfeld D96-D99. I think the Stonewall structure is more interesting (and probably preferable) to me than the Gruenfeld D97 (I don't like the queen exchange possibility).
Knowing that the Stonewall is that positive, I think there's a drawish variant that can be forced by white along the way, that this defense is not popular among top level GMs. Probably the drawish variant is hidden in the Staunton Gambit, which I haven't looked into.
I will look into the Staunton Gambit soon, before I can adopt this defense myself.
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Stonewal
Yusuf, if you like a structure of Stonewall, it could be good choice. Not so easy to break it, and it hides good counter-attacking possibilities... In common, Dutch defence isn't easy to play.... but, in the most cases, I had no (in the most cases) problems vs Staunton gambit...
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But question to all: why you do not play it?
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In any opening/defense, I always watch out for pawn endgame possibilities. If any attacks fail, then I don't want to be the one with inferior pawn structure. But the Stonewall seems okay.
One question: is there any (forced) drawish variants inside this defense?
I started to look for an alternative to KI as (I think for the moment) I don't like the structure of:
1.d4 Nf6
2.Nc3
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I just walked through the Staunton Gambit. I almost gave up the defense when at last I could find the refutation.
My opinion is, anyone who has not been prepared with the Staunton, should avoid playing the Dutch defense, or they will be crushed by the Staunton Gambit. This is probably the strongest gambit, as I believe if both players are not prepared, black has almost no chance of winning. This is probably because 1..f5 is already very risky and dangerous (it weakens king's flank), plus the advancement and the strong d pawn as a result of the gambit.
Then probably there's still drawish variant somewhere else. Soon I will walk through the Stonewall variants and starting today I will play the Dutch defense against 1.d4.
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Worth to look to...
[Event "Gibraltar Masters 6th"]
[Date "2008.01.22"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stefanova,Antoaneta"]
[Black "Gurevich,Mikhail"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "A81"]
1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Nh3 g6 4.Nf4 Bg7 5.Bg2 0-0 6.h4 Nc6 7.h5 g5 8.h6 Bh8
9.Nd3 Nxd4 10.Bxg5 Ne6 11.Bh4 d5 12.Nd2 c6 13.c4 Ne4 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.Nf3 Qd6 16.Qb3 Bd7
17.Nf4 Bc6 18.Nxe6 Qxe6 19.Rd1 a5 20.Nd4 Qf7 21.g4 Bxd4 22.Rxd4 e5 23.gxf5 exd4 24.Bxe4 Rae8
25.Qg3+ Kh8 26.Bd3 b5 27.Qf4 Qa7 28.Qd6 Qf7 29.Rg1 b4 30.Rg7 Qh5 31.Rg8+ 1-0
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Something is going wrong .... :)
I play Dutch regularly, and, in the past, quite many games were finished by direct attack in King wing...
Now, already while long time, I noticed that at rare cases I've won by direct attack of that kind...
And I started to use Leningrad variation, returned to Stonewall - the same...
How to break that situation? Hm....
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I know, great Cyrano used Dutch heavily with great success but ... he switched to other openings while last years...
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May be you also need to change your repertoire... But it is indeed difficult to find a complicated but a surprise weapon against 1.d4
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Interesting discussion, this...
... I had a similar experience on GK, playing a lot of Dutch Defence systems against the opposition I was getting early on, but gradually finding it harder and harder to make anything of it. Eventually I could get nothing more than a draw against my buddy ronald46, whose rating was then in the mid-1600s. Mind you, he played very well in that game.
It seems that if White refuses to be intimidated, and is prepared to take the fight to the opponent, it is not so easy for Black to get much momentum going. Mikhail Botvinnik apparently used to play the Dutch - even the Stonewall Defence - but after some time also found the thing too strategically limiting. The resulting predictability led to White's being able to inaugurate early countermeasures and stifle Black's aggression.
I have never liked the Leningrad Dutch. My feeling is that such attack Black is able to generate is too localised and too feeble for the cost of compromising the K-side. That Stefanova-Gurevich game above seems to me to confirm such a view. White early smashed up Black's K-side, and although Black appeared to came back strongly in the middle stages of the game, building up a strong-looking centre, that K-side vulnerability proved to be his downfall.
Cheers,
Ion
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Interesting...
Ion, good remarks...
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And another interesting game...
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[Event "Bydgoszcz Bank Pocztowy op"]
[Site "Bydgoszcz"]
[Date "2000.05.28"]
[White "Kempinski,Robert"]
[Black "Gleizerov,Evgeny"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Eco "A85"]
1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 Nc6 5.a3 d6 6.e3 g6 7.b4 Bg7 8.Bd3 e5
9.Nge2 exd4 10.exd4 Nh5 11.Be3 f4 12.Bf2 Qg5 13.Nd5 Qxg2 14.Rg1 Qxf3 15.Nxc7+ Kd8 16.Nxa8 Re8
17.Bh4+ Kd7 18.Qc2 Nxd4 19.Qa4+ Nc6 20.0-0-0 Rxe2 21.Bxe2 Qc3+ 22.Qc2 Qxa3+ 23.Kd2 Qxb4+ 0-1
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Interesting tactical melee...
... I might have to get back to you on that one. I feel that White probably conceded too much in he middle stages...
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It was just played today by Nakamura. I play d4 it is something at very least I should study and understand. If I would play it as black, maybe seems like it leads to an interesting game which is always fun.
[Date "2009.08.20"]
[White "*GM_Ljubojevic"]
[Black "*GM_Nakamura"]
[Result "1/2"]
1. d4 f5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6 4. c4 Bg7 5. Nc3 O-O
6. Rb1 Nc6 7. d5 Ne5 8. b3 d6 9. Nh3 Nh5 10. Qd2 Bd7
11. Bb2 c6 12. dxc6 bxc6 13. c5 dxc5 14. Na4 c4 15. Nc5 Bc8
16. f4 Qxd2+ 17. Kxd2 Rd8+ 18. Kc1 Ng4 19. Bxc6 Rb8 20. bxc4 Rb6
21. Bb5 Bh6 22. Bc3 e5 23. Ba5 exf4 24. gxf4 Nxf4 25. Nxf4 Bxf4+
26. Kb2 Re8 27. Bxb6 Rxe2+ 28. Ka3 axb6 29. Rbe1 Rxe1 30. Rxe1 Ne3
31. Nd3 Nc2+ 32. Kb3 Nxe1 33. Nxf4 Bb7 34. Nd5 Bxd5 35. cxd5 Kf7
36. d6 Nf3 37. Bc4+ Ke8 38. Bb5+ Kf7 39. Bc4+ Kf6 40. Bd5 Ne5
41. Kb4 Nd7 42. Bg8 f4 43. Kb5 f3 44. Bd5 f2 45. Bg2 Ke6
46. Kc6 Ne5+ 47. Kc7 g5 48. a4 h5 49. h3 g4 50. hxg4 hxg4
51. Bf1 Nf7 52. d7 Ke7 53. Bg2 g3 54. Bf1 Nd8 55. Bh3 Ne6+
56. Bxe6 f1=Q 57. d8=Q+ Kxe6 58. Qd6+ Kf7 59. Qxg3 Qc4+ 60. Kxb6 Qxa4
1/2
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A recent game in the Dutch was played on the chessgames.com site between a team of chessgames users and former World Correspondence Chess Champion GM Gert Jan Timmerman (www.chessgames.com ):
[Event "Chessgames Challenge"]
[Site "chessgames.com"]
[Date "2007.02.01"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "The World"]
[Black "Gert Jan Timmerman"]
[ECO "A88"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "2"]
1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.Nc3 O-O 6.Nf3 d6 7.O-O c6 8.Qb3 Na6 9.Rd1 Kh8 10.Qa3 Nc7 11.d5 Bd7 12.Rb1 a5 13.dxc6 bxc6 14.c5 Ne4 15.cxd6 exd6 16.Bf4 d5 17.Be5 Re8 18.Bxg7+ Kxg7 19.Rbc1 Qe7 20.Qxe7+ Rxe7 21.Na4 Nb5 22.Nb6 Ra6 23.Nxd7 Rxd7 24.Ne5 Rd6 25.f3 Nf6 26.a4 Nc7 27.Bf1 Re6 28.f4 Ne4 29.e3 Rb6 30.Bd3 Na6 31.b4 Nxb4 32.Bxe4 fxe4 33.Nd7 Rb7 34.Nc5 Ree7 35.Nxb7 Rxb7 36.g4 Rc7 37.Rc5 Ra7 38.h4 Ra6 39.Rcc1 Kf6 40.Rf1 Nd3 41.Rb1 h5 42.gxh5 gxh5 43.Rb8 c5 44.Rfb1 d4 45.Kf1 dxe3 46.Rf8+ Ke7 47.Rbb8 Rg6 48.Rbe8+ Kd6 49.Rxe4 Kd5 50.f5 Rg3 51.Rfe8 c4 52.f6 Rf3+ 53.Ke2 Rxf6 54.Kxe3 Rc6 55.Rd4+ Kc5 56.Rb8 Re6+ 57.Re4 Rxe4+ 58.Kxe4 Nf2+ 59.Kf3 Ng4 60.Rb5+ Kd4 61.Rxh5 c3 62.Ke2 1-0
Here's the link to the game and the chessgames' team thread: www.chessgames.com
Computers were allowed for the game.
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