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baronderkilt 27-Apr-09, 04:35 |
 Chess in the Media aka Look Ma, I caught a blooper~! (anyone recall exactly when it was>? Certainly not in use during the Fischer-Spassky match, in America. Did any other countries start using it very much earlier? Anyone know where it Was first used>?) Anyway, later on the female detective (that I watch the show for says "Zeke's winning move was the Ruy Lopez". OK its mispronounced as "rue wee" Lopez. We all expect THAT by now I'm sure. But alas it is hardly a Wry Lopez without 3.Bb5 or then B-QN5, now is it? **** Oh well. I thank them just for trying! At least they didn't call it Checkmate ! And anyway I always enjoy seeing Hollywood give Chess some time. So just wanted to note this for posterity. Seen any more ? Regards All |
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Rather surprisingly, algebraic chess notation was used by Philipp Stamma (c. 1705-1755) in an almost fully developed form before the now obsolete descriptive chess notation evolved. The main difference between Stamma's system and the modern system is that Stamma used "p" for pawn moves and the original file of the piece ("a" through "h") instead of the initial letter of the piece.[13] But Philidor defeated Stamma in a match, so his writings had more influence and the descriptive system based on his approach was dominant for a long time. Algebraic notation became dominant in the 20th century, although it did not become popular in the English-speaking countries until the 1970s.[14] |
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baronderkilt 27-Apr-09, 09:16 |
Very Interesting~! [I sure hated Algebraic when it first became widespread here, like some evil conspiracy but finally got used to it for play. But took me a Looong time to be able to visualize it. And still goof up Rook file moves to this day, and never could blindfold in it. Still have to prefer it over the numerical system used in ICCF~! I had to look at the little demo card to send every move back then. Or that Figurine Algebraic. I see the point of it, with different piece names in varied countries, hence different letters used. But where to get a typewriter with it! ??] }8-) |
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maca 27-Apr-09, 09:49 |
Deleted by maca on 27-Apr-09, 09:50.
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maca 27-Apr-09, 09:51 |
... The figurine algebraic was never naturally intended for players to use, but it's very convenient in written materials. Regards, MaCa. |
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In this country.= (New Zealand)... Personally, I pretty much stayed with the Descriptive all through my OTB days (though I did briefly try the FIDE international algebraic notation for a while). However, as publications like "Informator" used figurine algebraic and algebraic was used in other places, one got used to the various notations. The only thing is, accustomed as I am to the descriptive, every now and then I will substitute a wrong square number (e4 instead of e5, say). I record by hand all my GK games, but I stopped using the Descriptive a couple of years ago. The algebraic means I can fit 5 games across the page... Cheers, Ion |
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... and you can bet your boots... |
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... Fischer wrote 22.Rae1. He wrote it not in his customary English notation but in algebraic—almost Russian,. Then he not very deftly pushed the scoresheet towards me. “He's asking for an endorsement,” I thought to myself, but how was I to react? To frown was impossible, if I smiled he would suspect trickery, and so I did the natural thing. I got up and began to calmly walk up and down the stage. I met Petrosian, made some joke with him, and he replied. The 15-year-old Fischer, who was essentially still only a large child, sat with a confused expression on his face, looking first at the front row of the spectators where his second was sitting, then at me. Then he wrote down another move: 22 Qc6+ and, after 22...Rd7 we Rae1+ Be7 24 Rxf7 Qxf7 25 Qe6+ Kf8! 26 Qxd7 Qd6 I held on to my extra piece and adjourned the game in a won position. When I later asked Fischer why he hadn't played 22 Rae1, he replied, “Well, you laughted when I wrote it down.” |
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FIDE rules governing alg.notation: "FIDE recognizes for its own tournaments and matches only one system of notation,the algebraic system.Scoresheets using a notation system other than the algebraic may not be used as evidence in cases where normally the scoresheet of a player is used for that purpose.An arbiter who observes that a player is using any other notation system other than the algebraic should warn the player in question of this requirement.This is to become completely adhered to effective Jan 1,1981" So again,in 1976 the FIDE officially "recognized"only one "official"notation(algebraic) and made exceptions to use descriptive,but not after Jan 1 1981 at the latest.I suppose this was to give all players around the world a few years to adjust. |
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This would seem to indicate... As I type this I glance beside me to my left to see my Russian magnetic set with the letters A-H along the base edge and numbers 1-8 along the sides, and beside it a tiny magnetic set bought from th e "Two Dollar Shop" - also with these markings... You couldn't really do these markings with the Descriptive, could you? Yet how often do we refer to these markings? I almost never do. |
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Personally, I myself prefer descriptive,but then i'm from the "old school" having played long before the 1972 Fischer/Spassky match. |
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baronderkilt 01-May-09, 05:11 |
Here's the thing ... strangely enough processor program, and in both cases it was easier. With Algebraic there is a constant clunk-clunk of hitting cap key for pieces and not for squares. Now with word processing Descriptive became a breeze. Just put the cap lock on and GO TO IT 123456. Since as you see, it only locks for letters, not numbers, so typing in a descriptive game is a flowing breeze, even tho, granted there will likely be more characters to type in. Of course, long form Alg is easy too e3-e4 etc since there are No caps. But it seems harder to visualize that than the short form Alg., for me anyway. All of which is mute of course, since now the moves are best entered to a cyber board whether physical or online (both 80's tech) so as to check correctness of moves as entered, and let it print all later. Or just copied pgn now. Resistance to Alg? Yeah, I hated it at first. Now I tend to think some of my most common openings in it, many others in descriptive, and captures and combinations in descriptive unless the matter is straight forward enough to simply visualize without any memory markers applied. Which is faster of course. Or talking about it, I'll often be combining Des & Alg. So like speaking an English conglomerate of basic English with the slang, idiomatic & dialectic words added of America, Britain & Australia ... You know you are Probably understandable but not quite sure ) |
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Not to mention ... |
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garos 01-May-09, 17:41 |
Oh? |
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... 'kin' oath. |
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