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baronderkilt 15-Aug-09, 21:25 |
Why Not ? *** Or they may wish to send the message, "If you're in no hurry to end it, then neither am I", as a display of patience on their part. Other simply "oblige" if their opponent wishes to play out a game that they see to be so hopeless that it seems a masochistic pursuit. Others go a step further and enjoy "punishing" an opponent that does not resign a lost game if they see it as being disrespectful to them & their abilities; or as being due only to stubbornness or unwillingness to admit defeat to them. And if that IS the case, I certainly don't blame them for feeling that way or finishing off a disrespectful opponent in any legal manner they see fit. *** On the otherhand, there are players who always play out to Mate simply because they see it as the honorable thing to do ... to permit their opponent the chance to "enjoy the mate". And that is what I always assume to be the case if a hopeless game gets played out, unless being totally sure an opp was just trying to be annoying. And there are certainly times when I've been grateful that they DID play it out. Like this game, which never could have ended as it did if my opp had just Resigned. I was quite glad he did not, because it took over 30 years of Chess play to get a game to end thusly ... after having one that ended o-o-o mate years before. gameknot.com gameknot.com/annotate.pl?id=16213&rnd=0.1269978818125368 |
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baronderkilt 15-Aug-09, 21:44 |
An addendum ... *** By that remark above, it is not to say I'd wish to encourage players getting 5 Queens or taking 49 moves to mate with Q+K ... just that I can't fault them if they do it if they are sure someone only wishes to annoy them. Personally, what I usually consider to be best is simply stay calm and finish off the game in usual style, whatever that may be. Then if someone is trying to be annoying, they do not even have the satisfaction of having caused a reaction to that. Also, "fighting fire with fire" as they say, just raises the temperature for everyone in the end. *** [ And recently someone annoyed me Very Much in their conduct towards several of their opponents. Unfortunately, I will have to wait to "next time" that happens, to be able to follow my own advice, then. That is not always easy, & I did not do it so well this time. Largely due to being So unaccustomed to meeting anyone irritating here at GK, that it took me by surprise. For this is certainly the best mannered Chess site in existence ! IMO ] *** |
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Truthfully speaking,if I know i'm down,say 2 major pieces and my opponent has,say,30 seconds left on the board in either OTB chess or blitz,I HOPE he DOES go in for as many queens as he can....and no, I will NOT resign!The probability of a stalemate dramatically increases,with too much power on the board. I can tell you that I have stalemated many a game on the GK blitz site and other sites when my opponents was up overwhelming power....sometimes with 3 queens and sometimes with simply 3 or 4 major pieces(not queens) ahead of me in the endgame. Its really best to learn how to mate with less power,than "more"power.Less risk of a stalemate is one of the major reasons.I can just imagine the "look"on my opponents face when he "thought"he had a won game with over 20 points ahead of me in the endgame...then to end up a stalemate!Ego destroyed! |
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Going for zillions of Queens... When I was teenager, I took up yachting for a while (I regret not carrying on with it, actually). As you learn about it you kind of feel apprehensive about capsizing the boat, which you are bound to do as you learn how to handle the thing. But there quickly came a time at which our confidence was such that we were deliberately capsizing and rerighting the boats, just for the joy of it. There's no better way to become 'one with your vessel'. An equivalent of this I guess is the brief period after learning chess, in which I liked to obtain multiple knights and try to win with them. Try mating with 5 knights! Actually, it is possible to force mate with 3, but, when you are a beginner, it's not easy. If you are a piece ahead in an endgame, you will almost certainly still try to promote a Queen in order to finish the game. Even in the middle game, it might well be the quickest or simplest road to the win. |
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Again,there are disadvantages both hidden and unhidden with over promotion. The obvious disadvantages are stalemate's,but the hidden disadvantage for lesser rated opponent would be "relying" on promotions to win a game,while not paying enough attention to more frequent scenario's of not having any extra pieces and still winning the game,sometimes even quicker than WITHOUT the pawn promotion!Critical mid/endgame strategies should be studied,mates in 3 to 7(for example)should be learnt(without pawn promotion)....which is more important than promoting a piece.Why?Because most games do not end up with pawn promotions,so depending upon the "easy way"out is NOT the way to go and NOT the way to learn,regardless of the win in that game.Many times it actually takes LONGER for disconnected pawns on the "A" and "H" files(for example) to go all the way up to the 8th rank to be promoted,when the lesser rated opponent could simply move in with a Bishop/Knight or Knight/Rook mating net in less moves than the pawn(s) to queen(s) promotion.When any player has learned to win without promoting a pawn(whether it takes alittle longer or shorter time period)and still win....then this is truly progress and eventually that players rating should eventually get stronger and stronger by learning to win without any extra "help". |
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If I want to punish an opponent, I wouldn't promote to queen, I would seek to have an army of minor pieces for the purpose of self amusement. While it might be good for the ego of a beginner to have multiple queens, it's not very challenging to find the mate with them, it's much more fun to chase that king round with knights and bishops. If I was having fun, and I had more pawns, I might even sac a piece or two. I haven't done this in cc yet, but I started to in a blitz game here where we both had over 5 minutes. My opponent was rude to me after I gleefully snapped up his rook he left en prise. I had three knights, two bishops, two rooks and a queen (up a queen, rook, bishop and two knights), threw away the queen and a rook, and started to push another pawn before he abandoned the game. |
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