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 Pot calling kettle blackwww.chesscafe.com I was very amused to hear Karpov complain (at about 45:40) about Kasparov just holding the position until adjournment, so his seconds could find a winning plan for him. Right Anatoly, like you never did that against Korchnoi. I think Fischer could have taken either one of those two technicians in a match without seconds. |
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wolstoncroft 07-Jan-10, 16:45 |
agree |
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Fischer vs K... But I reckon it would have been close - maybe 2 games in it (assuming it was a 24-game match - far from a gimme, as Fischer was pressing strongly for the first to 10 wins, 9-9 counting as a draw (giving the Champion a 1.5 point advantage...) Of course, everyone else on the planet knew this to be a dumb idea... Yeah, right). But a K-F match in 1978 might have been an altogether different proposition. But this goes a little beyond speculation. It seems that Fischer was never in this world going to defend his title. I vaguely recall a prediction made, not long after the Reykjavik match, by an American psychology expert (whose name I have long since forgotten), who reckoned that Fischer would never defend his title - probably never play competitive chess again. Why? Too much to lose. What this suggests, is that Fischer was not as confident as his fans have been that he could win a 1975 match (let alone the 1973 match he promised and never delivered). Even if he rated his chances at 60-40, he might have misliked the odds. At that, even if he won in 1975, he might not in 1978 etc and so on. Sooner or later he would lose or have to relinquish the title. Perhaps he feared for the integrity of his ego... As for a Fischer-Kasparov match? I reckon that would have been something to see! It is indeed a pity Fischer did drop out of competitive chess. The chess world has been I think the poorer for it. But it was Fischer himself who robbed the chess world of what might have been. Cheers, Ion |
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So what better way to stay a "legend" and remain undefeated?It worked,because we are all still speaking about Fischer 38 years later.Many of us still talk about him even more that todays world champions.My guess is that todays world champions like Garry Kasparov with all the increased modern chess theory and advanced training methods,computers ect world probably defeat Fischer(argumentative,but this is my opinion).But you see,it dosen't matter! In the minds of many, Fischer will always be the legend...something almost impossible to destroy..... |
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Kind of like Paul Morphy.... I have always been rather puzzled, though, by his obsession (or so it seems to me) with playing Howard Staunton. Staunton wasn't interested, didn't really have anything to play for, and had pretty much retired from chess some years before. Staunton would have been crushed in such a match, he knew it, Morphy knew it, why bother? Anderssen was in similar case (not having played for a while), and look what happened to him! But what is interesting is the fine careers many masters had 'post Morphy' who had been road kill beneath the Morphy juggernaut: Anderssen himself, Louis Paulsen, Harry Bird... A certain Wilhelm Steinitz came into prominence in 1866, not long after Morphy's retirement. What price a Morphy-Steinitz match (the Anderssen-Steinitz match was pretty something!) All of which, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Of course, had someone tried to pursue Morphy for a match after 1862... Cheers, Ion |
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My comments about Fischer being able to beat either of Ks in a match without seconds is pure speculation, but main point is that I think both the Ks are overrated; and a big part of their success was the powerful teams they had to support them. It is clear that when most adjournments were eliminated from match play, the results of both of them took a nose dive. |
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baronderkilt 16-Nov-10, 20:39 |
blake ... I do believe tho that Fischer was farther beyond the rest of the Chess world in terms of rating than anyone has been, based on the fact that he had no one over 2700 to feed his rating on, such as Karpov and Kasparov were able to use each other for. First to the one, then the other. And perhaps the ratings today are inflated a hundred and some over those of 72. The "some" being the important part and arguable in amount. I do not know if Fischer could continue psychologically ... he may have felt alone and abandoned by his own Chess Federation after becoming WC, and did not expect that situation. But something I believe is that Fischer was Just GETTING "Good" in 72 -! In other words that he would soon have achieved an even higher plateau in his play. His results in the Candidates pre-WC once again stunned the Chess World with his unheard of results. And he was only beginning to expand his openning repetoire and would surely have brought much to those he chose to employ in the future. imo |
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baronderkilt 17-Nov-10, 14:22 |
You know ... To show us he had not gotten ill, could have played? Or about reliving old times, or return match to a former Champ, or the money? |
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