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mattdw 10-Feb-10, 02:25 |
 White's options against the ScandinavianI much prefer to play gambits at the moment, white can tranpose to the Blackmar-Diemer gambit with 2.d4. Are there any other options that I can't think of? White seems to be fairly limited in terms of responses here... |
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Two options b) to crush or to die! |
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maca 11-Feb-10, 09:39 |
... Regards, MaCa. |
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4.Nf3,Nf6 5.d4,c6 6.Ne5,Nbd7 7.Bf4,Nd5 8.Bg3,Nxc3(or 8.....Qb4 9.a3!) 9.bxc3,Nxe5 10.Bxe5,Qg6 11.Rb1 Now white has more active advantage than black.But it still is one of the best with alternatives such as Wik mentions...whites...d4,Nf3,g3,Bg2,0-0 and later Ne5 with strong position. Transpositions can occur in the Scand.defense into the Nimzowitsch Defense (3.d4 instead of Nc3)but I would not recommend it.Forms of the french defense can also surface and may be better. Overall,my opinion is that black should avoid this opening.White tends to do slightly better overall statistically,but it does have surprize value to the unprepared. If anything,I have used the Scand.as a drawing weapon playing black against stronger opponents,just like the Petrov.But in general,I avoid playing the Scand.as black for much better defenses that exist.On the higher rating levels you will find out that playing the black side of this defense is many times an uphill battle to win,let alone draw...so it is usually rare to see it it tournament chess,atleast OTB. |
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It is a great defense for learning and is easy to learn,no question.However,there are many transpositional moves that can take years to master,depending upon which river you decide to float down. On the higher rating levels the Scand does not offer much winning chances,thus it is not played much in tourneys,except as an occassional surprise weapon.But for the class c or lower,it is fine.On occassion I have witnessed it played on a GM level,but I think that was for the extra half point tourney win. |
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baronderkilt 12-Feb-10, 18:44 |
Blake78613 ... *** I don't really know of any gambits vs the Scandi, other than the B-Diemer mentioned. Which maybe could go to some similarity to the "fantasy" var. vs Caro-Kann if not a Diemer proper. Tho I do know a WT line vs a 2...Nf6 Scandi that has all the development, mobile pawn center, etc that one expects to get from a Gambit. And also has options for WT to approach it with 2 or 3 different middle game plans/formations. Unfortunately, it is "free" since WT does not have to give up a pawn to get it. Its more like having your cake and eating it too. Let me know if any interest in seeing. ***** Here is what I fail to see. My studies of a past decade showed that the Caro-Kann was #2 to the Sicilian only, in decisive published games. It won slightly less but lost slightly less as well. (Granted this was around the start of the Karpov era, and before publication of "Play The French".) So my thought is this: How can the Scandi ever be any worse than playing a into a Caro-Kann line that lacks the d-pawn? Many times BL simply has a tempo over a C-K position. Can anyone see an reason why a Scandi would ever be less playable than a Caro !? I would be quite interested to hear the rationale, if so. *** }8-) |
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mattdw 12-Feb-10, 19:31 |
I can't comment on your second point, I don't know much of the French or Cara-Kann at all. |
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Gambits against the scand alternatives to 2.exd5) 2.Nf3(Tennisons Gambit) 2.g4(Zilbermints Gambit) 2.exd5,Nf6(Marshall Gambit) and here is one on the Icelandic Gambit of the Scand: www.chess.com all of these and many other lines simply offer primarily equality. |
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baronderkilt 12-Feb-10, 23:03 |
MATT ~ Maybe its not such a very fattening cake, but ... *** gameknot.com gameknot.com/annotation.pl/collister-counter-gambit?gm=29550 *** Thx T/A , I had forgotten about Tennison's. A good player in my area adopted it for his own in the 90's and we were calling it "The Carney" in these parts, for a long time. If I recall correctly, it works pretty well but WT gets tested best by a timely Qd4 or Qd5, one or the other. Maybe such as 1.d4 Nf6 2.e4 de4 3.Ng5 Nf6 4.Nc3 Qd4 , from off the top of my head. *** Ok Matt, this is what I've been playing vs the 2...Nf6 Scandi for some time now; both in Postal & in OTB Tournaments. It does very well in both. Not that I can claim it to be so very strong, objectively, but it is extremely flexible & that seems to provide practical chances. Perhaps "to the better player, to win" as they say. And allows replay vs the same opponent, with a change of plan, for instance. *** Playing it since the 80's I thought of it as the Collister variation. But reflecting further, it could be called a Counter-Gambit of sorts since it does offer the pawn back to Black. I think it sounds much better anyway: The Collister Counter-Gambit !? ) *** All thought on it are welcome of course. And if you know that someone else already claimed it; analyzed it in Russian, and defeated a Bulgarian with it (?!) ... If so, go ahead & break my heart by telling me ... I will just hope it was my "Hero-of-opening-quirks" Morozevich, if so. *** }8-D |
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I have not dug in deeply into my records,(no time now)...but this one comes close through some transpositions in and around #13-15.Other than that,your line seems original. www.365chess.com |
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