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chess_avenger
16-Feb-10, 22:06

Halloween Gambit

Just wanted to ask a question about the following two lines of the halloween gambit:

GK database gives the following moves as playable giving about the same opportunity for both opponents...

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 c6 8. Qe2 b5 9. Bb3 followed by ...Bb4 or ...a5.

The following is a line I have experienced but I see that on GK database that no one has played it. I ran a few games on the bottom lines on some engines and they give black a big advantage.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 c6 8. Qe2 b5 9. Nxd5 cxd5 10. Bxf7+ Kxf7 11. Qf3+ Ke8 12. Qxa8 Qc7

I was wondering if the line just above this text is playable? Is there a reason GK db players avoid this line? Why does my engine(s) not suggest these moves? Basically I want to know if the second line I mentioned is decent...

Thanks for any responses.

easy19
16-Feb-10, 23:21

I played about 40 games using the Leipzig Gambit
several of those games where in a tournament here on GK

The line you are showing is playable but white will not be cooperative to play that line, so it is not that it ain't good for black it is just that it ain't good for white so white will deviate.

gameknot.com you can look into the game s here and if you download the pgn you can review the games in your pgn viewer.

black_cat_hamlet
17-Feb-10, 02:07

Since we're on the topic of the gambit...

what exactly does it do? the link Freddy put up talks about the initiative, but how best to keep
it?

baronderkilt
17-Feb-10, 02:55

Not versed in the Gambit (

It looks like there is nothing On d5 to be taken, per your 9.Nxd5 ... ? Is line #2 notation given incorrectly? If that is the position & 9.Nd5 made; where it is threatening nothing, capturing nothing, and spending a tempo for moving twice in the opening to do it; then it seems to me I would prefer 9...bxBc4 over 9...cxNd5 .
It does not appear that Nf6+ is a true & immediate threat. Nor attacks involving a Bg5 move. It looks like WT gets brushed off if he tries anything violent right away without some type of build-up. And since I don't see anyplace important the N is going from d5, why not take the B and make WT move the N again?
I hope the line is given wrong, so I don't get challenged by 900 Halloween Gambit players who see that I "just don't Get It~! "
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}8-)

easy19
17-Feb-10, 09:11

ah Man with skirt :)

I only looked up to Move 8 but i go take a look at the rest to see if i can back up your statement.

X Machina how to keep the initiative is shown in the games.. but i can tell you that it is hard to really keep it, because there is much database data to use. and if used well the gambit can be refuted.

chess_avenger
17-Feb-10, 11:50

thank you

thank you. you are correct I typed the line wrong.

wrong one:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 c6 8. Qe2 b5 9. Nxd5 cxd5 10. Bxf7+ Kxf7 11. Qf3+ Ke8 12. Qxa8 Qc7

correct version:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 c6 8. Qe2 b5 9. Nxb5 cxb5 10. Bxf7+ Kxf7 11. Qf3+ Ke8 12. Qxa8 Qc7

chess_avenger
17-Feb-10, 12:53

diagrams to make it nicer

before:

first line (gameknot line)

second line

ky_nomad
12-Oct-10, 18:16

Tim Krabbe's definitive article

on the hlloween gambit (an eye-opener):
www.xs4all.nl

chess_avenger
12-Oct-10, 18:45

heh forgot i made this topic.
i have recently finished a huge engine tournament (1000 games).
with all the main lines included.
once i get my website running I'll make the pgn file available.

baronderkilt
17-Oct-10, 18:09

I must admit ...

this thing Does look Scary~!

Shall we all come onto blitz area and play a few on All Hallows Eve ?! Says FangMan ...
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}B~[

BTW, is there a Walpurgisnacht Gambit yet !?

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