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rookie879
26-Jun-10, 10:26

Advice for slumping players
I am in a tailspin and I can't seem to get out of it? What can I do to muster up to 1600 again?
lighttotheright
26-Jun-10, 12:12

Step back, take a break, relax. Stress can short circuit the brain, seriously.

Enjoyment can help relieve some of that stress. When you are in a tailspin, some of the enjoyment is sucked right out of you and will often exacerbate a feedback mechanism that makes the situation much worse. You need to find a way to break the cycle.
black_cat_hamlet
27-Jun-10, 02:59

Try and get your confidence up again?
Just look at the games that you are definitely winning and try and calculate the rating gain that you can get from those games... or even, look at your losing games where you're setting up a trap to get a draw/win and go through the lines that lead to your victory [it's what I do - though admittingly the winning lines I calculate are never seen in the real game lol]
tactical_abyss
27-Jun-10, 08:42

Forget all the ideas above.Forget reading books as well.Forget looking at other games,atleast right now.
Want to improve your play?Stop eating any fast foods and no McDonalds or Burger King!
Yes,thats right!Eating brain foods will improve your overall brain health,improve motor neuron connectivity and simply give you overall better cognitive ability.That is one of my secrets,atleast.So you don't eat these junk foods?Then ok,forget what I just said and concentrate on what is mentioned above my post.But most players cannot avoid eating junk foods.But if you can avoid them for atleast a few months,I firmly believe that you will see yourself play better games,and get yourself out of that slump!Hate wild Salmon?Try to learn to love it!Its one of the best "brain foods" on Earth!

Check the list here on which foods to eat and the ones NOT to eat.
Best chess play involves deep brain functions.Nurture your brain and improve your play!

www.increasebrainpower.com


Good luck!
tactical_abyss
27-Jun-10, 09:08

Also to my above post...here is a more detailed list of food:

4mind4life.com

Berries like blueberries(fresh)and the other berries listed are also a super nourishment for the brain and your chess game.And if anyone says..."well they have fish sandwiches at McDonalds"...sorry,no good!That fried and oily mess combined with the heat and that type of fish does NOT contain the nutrients your brain wants and needs to improve.

So,eating properly comes way before looking at some database,book or other strategies.

maca
27-Jun-10, 09:52

Given that your averages are only barely over 1500, I doubt that 1600 has ever been your true strength in GK. It's just that with the number of games you're playing, your rating fluctuates a lot. So in that, I don't think you're in that bad of a slump.

Now if you want to improve your rating here, considered reducing the number of games you're playing. Also, your average time per move, 1.5 hours, is pretty quick. Try to spend a bit more time on an individual position.


Regards,
MaCa.
tactical_abyss
27-Jun-10, 10:22

Actually,in the USA,the average chess players "strength" whether it be official or not,hovers in the range of 1400-1500.And i'm speaking of average,not trained by much higher rated opponents and those who do not do alot of chess research,chess book reading ect ect.
So,1400-1500 seems ok to me and your right maca,rookie879 is probably not in the slump as much as he thinks he is.But like I mentioned above,nutrition can help alot,along with reducing the # of games ect.But if you can't think as clearly about moves because of a bad diet(and quite alot of research has been done on this issue,even with chess),then in reality,as a foundation and base ladder to other issues,I would rate diet above # of games and other issues that anyone can think of in this forum.For example what good would the best chess books do for a player,if that player shows disinterest,or less cognition in understanding the books because of poor diet?Believe me,those who do not take these diet issues seriously,are simply deluding themselves.Now,a young player like rookie879 will find it much harder to stick to a brain tuned diet,this I understand,but if he combined atleast a good number of those foods listed with an occassional "Big Mac"then atleast there is better hope in improving chess play as well as other life issues.
Even Fischer ate Herring at the Spassky match!!!Yes,its true!
Hmmmm...good,brain food!
baronderkilt
27-Jun-10, 12:59

if its worked till now
change emphasis 35% toward what you arent doing from what you are doing
tactical_abyss
27-Jun-10, 14:54

I have a critical move coming up against one of my opponents that will require atleast one to 3 hours of extreme concentration for the best move out of 5 possible "great"moves.I better break out the Acai berries!I'm joking right?Think again.

On a side note,there has been research done by several leading scientists and Medical Universities between USA grade school and High School students doing much more poorly(in the last decade or so) in their test grades and overall concentation and cognitive abilities directly linked to guess what?............Diet.The fast food industry is not only making many of us more obese,but the fats,high calories,artificial ingredients and more are clogging up some of the synapses of the brain!Yes,drugs and alcohol will do this too,but according to the reports I have read,the bad US diets far outweigh the other two factors!

Take for example,a chess player that cannot possibly concentrate for long periods of time on just 10 games.So he plays 100 games and takes 15 seconds to make a move decision and goes on to the next game.The question remains....Does he need all these games because he becomes bored too easily,and needs to respond quickly,or is it because he really cannot "concentrate"for too long and look deeply into the game,for improved play?And the second question then would be...if he cannot "concentrate"for too long a period of time,even if it is 3 games,then why?There are many possibilities,but guess what?.....Diet can be at the root of the problem!!!I have a degree in Psychology and know these things.

So eat your double cheeseburgers while laughing at my post,in the meantime,i'll eat my acai berries and move up to 16th place on the GK list!
lighttotheright
27-Jun-10, 21:59

Scented candles...seriously! It works.

I sometimes use a specific type of vanilla candle to help me think. When the guy who sold me the candles told me about it, I thought he was full of it. But I liked the aroma and bought them anyway.

When I actually tried it, I noticed a significant improvement in my ability to write when burning one. It helps for any form of creative thinking. Tasks typically took half the amount of time for the same amount of work.

The key is to not be overpowering and it should be a calming, soothing scent. Other flavors might work. Not all vanillas are equal. So you need to be picky and find one that works for you.
lighttotheright
27-Jun-10, 22:18

Food? It can make a difference. Not all junk food is equal.

Any food high in preservatives is going to be bad. That means canned food can be far worse than any junk food you might occasionally partake. Typically, junk food is not bad for you because of what it is...but rather what they put into it to keep it (supposedly) fresh.

Chocolate is typically considered a junk food. Yet in moderate amounts, dark chocolate has proven to have many positive effects on thinking ability. Not everyone likes chocolate, so the effect will vary from one person to the next.

Too much of anything can be bad. Some items are bad even in small amounts. These include most carbonated drinks. Sodas with caffeine might allow you to stay awake longer, but you will crash. The long-term effects are going to be negative. Hopefully you can use common sense to guide you through all the TMI (too much information) available on-line on the subject.
baronderkilt
27-Jun-10, 22:23

I like Vanilla too ...
And added bonus, after some period of use, it could become a conditioned reflex also, to put you into Chess-mode. BFSkinner your Chess there. But the calming thing, lets just say hold the Cinnamon & Cookie Dough candles; from Chess time anyway... };-D
ionadowman
28-Jun-10, 00:45

There are other, chessic, things....
... that might be tried.

I've had a look at rooki879, his profile, in particular the ratings graph. Pretty much a roller-coaster ride, highs of c.1600 (achieved more than once); lows of 1400 or less.

That indicates, I suspect, a problem of consistency. Sometimes onto it, at other times not. Motivation can affect consistency; as can diet, sleeping habits - all sorts of exogenous factors (by which I mean factors having nothing to do with chess).

I don't fully subscribe to one's 'real' strength being assessed as an average over some period of time. That rookie879 has reached 1600 two or three times strongly indicates a potential to reach that level again, and to maintain something close to that level, instead of falling away again.

But it is maintaining that level that's the trick. You might have to look at he way you are playing the game. Try and figure out what you are (have been) doing on the upswings that is different from your practice on the down-turns.

If you find that your level of interest - your competitive spirit - seems to you stronger on the upswings, you might find that those are the times you are putting in more effort, thinking about the moves more, better assessing your chances and those of your opponent.

All these are general ideas that might be investigated before looking at your chess strengths and weaknesses.
Cheers,
Ion
tactical_abyss
28-Jun-10, 01:28

Yes,any food in moderation is fine,as mentioned above.But alot of Americans both adults and youth in the USA do not eat the junk in moderation,but are very gluttonous with those foods.Cheap and they fill you up,in other words...unfortunately.So,in reality,this can affect ones chess game.I'm certainly not saying this is what rookie is doing,but you never know.
Other reasons for 1400 to 1600 rating swings can be a matter of something not as controllable all the time...A.D.D.
But putting those factors aside...playing too many games(at one time) is definitely not a good idea.Well,some can handle it better than others,depending upon ones lifestyle,free time ect.But if you have alot of other activities going on,school work,chores and more,then minimizing the game load factor is going to atleast increase the probability of playing a better game against your opponents.One player on this site had a massive time-out not long ago,due,in my opinion to too many games...playing in excess of 100 at one time.He lost,if I remember correctly,about 200 rating points!And even if it was not due to the amt of games or some other factor,timing out on less games would be better than dozens!Now,this player is doing the same thing over again and averaging almost 70 time-outs a year.He most likely will end up losing massive amts of points again.Play less games...it better for qualitative play over quantitative play.

Getting back breifly to the food thing...I actually improved several players ratings at the Marshall Chess Club by holding a mini seminar on food vs chess play.One guy was eating at the Golden arches several times a day and 2 buffets on the weekends!After giving him a strict diet that he first hated,but then learned to love,his game play in tournaments dramatically increased in strength!I know this to be true,because he was at 1800 for 20 years.In 3-6 months after the diet kicked in he went from 1800 to 2200!And no,he was NOT coached by anyone,nor did he read any kind of chess books ect ect!Wow!
black_cat_hamlet
28-Jun-10, 04:19

food moderation?
Well, I never thought of it like that before! i used to eat a lot of oranges then sorta came off them... gotta get back on 'em, I guess  

I guess fruits in general work as well?
tactical_abyss
28-Jun-10, 17:47

Anything on those lists above,especially the 2nd list will be fine x-machine.Its what else besides that list,however that you eat that can simply destroy the health efforts of the other.
So,if you eat wildcaught salmon or a nice salad with olive oil,and later that day or the next day you eat a Big Mac,Fries,milkshake and go to Sonic and have a huge lovely ice cream sundae dripping in wonderful hot fudge,covered in tasty nuts,dried fruits,cherries and a half of can of whipped cream...you might as well forget about the salmon or any other thing on the lists above!

You mentioned fruits,like oranges.Yes,those are good.But research has shown that the pure juice of the fruit is actually better for your brain,than the actual whole fruit,as long as its "from concentrate" and not watered down.Most people believe the opposite,but recent research has proved otherwise.

Well,i'm leaving this string,too much talk about diets in a forum designed for openings and tactics.Seems somewhat out of place.I suppose there should be a "general discussion about anything"forum string instead....then we can discuss all the oranges you want!

Bye,
TA

tactical_abyss
28-Jun-10, 17:53

Correction above!I said "from concentrate".I meant..."not from concentrate".The pure stuff!
Getting sleepy!

TA
lighttotheright
28-Jun-10, 19:26

Your major source of liquid should be filtered water. While juices are good, too much can be negative. Your juices should be limited to your vitamin C needs and not much more. You can actually put on a lot of extra weight by drinking too many juices. It is a common mistake for those trying to lose pounds.

If you drink tea, preferably it should be unsweetened. Too much processed sugar is bad for brain and body health. The sugar substitutes are equally undesirable too. Just drink water whenever possible. Don't drink diet stuff. It only queues your body to crave more and mess with your body chemistry.

You cannot go wrong with a cold glass of filtered water.
rookie879
28-Jun-10, 21:46

What I've eaten today.
A protein bar and a pop tart. Worked out for hour and 15 minutes. A Sweedish Meatballs TV Dinner. For dinner,a Pepperoni Pizza Hot Pocket and a bowl of Golden Puffs for a snack.

To drink, 2 bottles of Water,a Gatorade, and a glass of Orange Juice

Anything wrong?
baronderkilt
28-Jun-10, 21:52

Sit-up straight and walk with a (Chess-)book on your head~!
Oh man, with my daughter married I almost missed my last chance ever to say that! Getting old and slow I guess . . .
baronderkilt
28-Jun-10, 22:08

BTW ...
If it is a case of your game suffering, the first thing i would do is define how and where it happens. This would mean to survey your games and see at what point your position becomes better, worse or lost.
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I did that for my otb tournament games a long time ago and found that move 18 was by far my most common move for an error (other than right before time control ending), and I had an error range between 18 & 22. Move 26 was one other for me to watch out for. From 8-11 I would often be unhappy with my position, tho largely a subjective feeling. But from 12-16 I would usually have advantage.
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Just knowing that info, I began to circle move 18 as a reminder and start using extra care there. Oddly it was not greatly dependent upon what opening I was playing. Perhaps all mine tend to gel near the same moves.
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It just makes sense that you must know what is wrong with your game before you can fix it with any kind of efficiency.
baronderkilt
28-Jun-10, 22:12

BTW, PS ...
If you should happen to find a game(s) that you just cannot tell what/where you went wrong, then you have struck Gold. Enlist as possible: a stronger player, Chess engine, position d-base for GM games, and rip that game inside-out & you will likely learn more from it than a dozen others. imo
kiwisouth
02-Jul-10, 04:08

Advice for slumping players
I've appreciated reading the advice above and can relate to a lot - bring it all together to
focus on your game in the right frame of mind. Not rushed, nor distracted - just focussed on
each move and each game as if it is the only move, the only game. Carefully find the right
move - then stop and explore the better one - it's always there!

Play each game as if it were the final.

When the game is over - go back and examine what happened. I see you do a lot of
annotation - this is good. I find the GK post game computer analysis invaluable and try to
analyse every game I play. Its scary to see the inaccuracies, mistakes and blunders I make
even in the games I win - let alone loose.

I see you have analysed only two games - savillesr and caknight - go over them again - there
are many lessons waiting there. I analysed the last game you played against banned1 - you
lost this game but you were three moves from mate on move 45. Why did you make that
move?

I see on your post you view chess as a science and an art -we all believe that- but I suppose
you must want to win enough - like your Minnesota Vikings and focus on that.

You registered in March 2008 - no longer a rookie? - maybe time to change your name to M
Viking?
black_cat_hamlet
07-Jul-10, 06:19

Going from 1530 to 1455...
I think it's time to review this list again...  
rookie879
07-Jul-10, 06:22

going from 1400 to 1540
no longer out of my slump
baronderkilt
07-Jul-10, 13:09

btw
if a "slump" does come and go ... it may well be it was not really a slump. Rather something in your game being done wrong repeatedly ... and you just happened to get more games of the type that let you(me  do it. The trouble is, under certain levels certain things will not be recognized as The Erroroneous Play (move type, strategy, etc). Many of these can be seen immediately by a good coach or higher rated player reviewing some 6 to a dozen of your slump losses, and simply say "Dont do that anymore". lol.

Other things take more explaining. For EG you cant live vs a pawn roller. Takes a bit of explaining multiple stategies (Center strike, Opp wing counter, or defense) And practice. BTW those are given in my own preferential order.

[When I first came to GK I was missing B-N5 moves repeatedly. And it was costing me at a time I was making a Serious effort to get over 2100 provisional; until taking those T/O's. (eg ccmcacollister vs coyotefan, I am objectively lost imo at the timeout due to d6, despite superficial counterplay. Passed up drawish lines early. But Bg5 oversight started the downfall) game

Figured out it was simply the Vertical nature of the monitor view vs 30 years of board view. But simply knowing did not solve the problem, stangely. (REal Bad shachistica-amourosis!? You know what I mean) The solution was pretty humbling. To actually check B moves every move. Even for a work intensive player, well a formerly work intensive player ha, this is a bit yuk. But you got to pay your dues. Those who dont should not complain nor expect improvement by osmosis   imho ]
}8-)
Unless of course you are Magnus Carlson ... we all know He never works on Chess  ))
baronderkilt
07-Jul-10, 13:15

What ?
See I gave the game backwards. Should be CF with WT. Still can't see right!
shamash
14-Jul-11, 11:28

food for the brain, rookie 879, if you sincerely want to improve your chess
rookie879:

Well, it has been a year since you began this thread with the plea:

<"I am in a tailspin and I can't seem to get out of it?
What can I do to muster up to 1600 again?">

It has been a year since you have received advice about burning candles and eating berries.

Maybe you took the well-meaning advice, maybe not.

Your current rating, to the extent it indicates your goal, is not the 1600 to which you aspired, but below 1500.

I suggest the food you need is food for your brain.

In looking over your recent losses, I prescribe the following book, based on the way you play, if you sincerely want to improve your chess:

TACTICAL CHESS EXCHANGES by Gennady Nesis




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rookie879
14-Jul-11, 13:19

It didn't help that I timed out all the way down to 1300  
shamash
14-Jul-11, 13:25

right, if you don't play the moves, you can't win, but first you need to want to play the moves
Another book that would add to your chess fun and adventure so you don't want to time out, because you want to see the results of your ideas put to action in your games, would be
CHESS PRAXIS by Aron Nimzovich.
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