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tactical_abyss
04-Dec-10, 10:39

Blitz tactics IM vs GM
Just a quick interesting video I first seen on my USCF online page,but it is also on UTube.In another string I mentioned about blitz tactics.Here is a string of games where the IM(Shahade) plays less "quality" than the GM(Hungaski)and still wins the match.Flagging his opponent is just one of Shahades tactics.So GM insight dosen't always reign in superior in quick blitz games.Funny how they try to "psyc"each other out,before,during and after the match!
GM Hungaski's regular OTB rating is 2535 with a 2135 quick rating.IM Shahade's OTB regular rating is 2448 with a quick rating of a whopping 2379.
By smaller comparison this is sort of a lesson.Whereas,GK blitz players,with the right kind of speed tactics,even playing "garbage"moves could possibly beat players consistantly rated hundreds of rating points above them.


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tactical_abyss
04-Dec-10, 12:51

additionally,
Let me add just alittle to the history of the now GM Robert Hungaski.
He won the gold metal in 2007 for the US at the Pan American Junior Championship in Equador.
With this result he earned his first GM norm.His individual "performance" rating for 2010 hovers in the 2780 range,but he has been as high as 2800(individual performance rating).
IM Shahade overall record pales in comparison.Without looking at the blitz stats with online records,I would have put my money on Hungaski for the win against Shahade,and of course I would have lost that bet!
Now,I would like to see Robert play Greg in 10- 40/2 games!I have a feeling Robert would definitely come out smelling like a rose with a score way over Greg!

This is why many IM's and GM's call blitz play "garbage chess".Its all a matter of opinion.
But it does go to show you how players of less elite performance records can defeat the GM's.
This is common knowledge to many of the seasoned players on GK,but not necessarily everyone.Thats why I showed the video above.I'm sure I could dig up a few more if I wanted.

TA
ionadowman
04-Dec-10, 13:14

That was very interesting.
I was never much of a 'Blitz' player. In this country we play 'Lightning' aka '5-minute' in which that is the time control. I gather blitz is more like 10-minute, which, by the way, I find much easier.

Whatever: speed chess requires practice. I find that until I get used to the time control I play much too fast, and hence just make mistakes. Once more accustomed to the pace, my method was to ignore the clock in the early stages, and play at a fairly unhurried pace (not too unharried, of course!). That way I found it easier to pick up the pace gradually as the game progressed so that by the time you need to play 'instant' chess, you know quite a lot about the position and 'instant' becomes easier.

Playing too fast at the outset tended to run into a position you know too little about and had to take too long to unravel and form a decent sort of plan.

But what do I know? I haven't played blitz even on GK for months - possibly a year... OTB, not since I don't know when.

Cheers,
Ion
tactical_abyss
04-Dec-10, 14:51

I actually play blitz quite alot on this site,preferring 3 min,zero increment.Although my highest skills are with 4 min,zero seconds....but that is not a GK option,not yet anyway.
Believe it or not ionadowman,most blitz "purists"don't consider 5 minute blitz... real blitz!
Under 5 minutes is considered the real McCoy by the blitz pro's!
In the video,did you happen to notice the two black guys sitting at the table facing the camera?I could be wrong but....dosen't the one on the left look like he has his eyes closed or is sleeping during this GM/IM competition right at the same table?Ha,ha!
tactical_abyss
04-Dec-10, 15:27

more correctly....
(I mean the older black guys wearing glasses about three quarters the way through the video).The one on the right is wearing a red shirt and the one I believe is sleeping is wearing a black coat and a hat.Looks like it to me!He must be bored!
ganstaman
04-Dec-10, 21:59

According to the video, it was IM vs IM.

Interesting nonetheless.
tactical_abyss
05-Dec-10, 00:13

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tactical_abyss
05-Dec-10, 00:28

ganstaman,
While I don't keep up with all the IM/GM standings,I assumed Robert Hungaski had received a GM norm.If you look beyond the title of the video,it DOES have typed in at his chest level...GM Robert Hungaski as he first speaks in the very beginning of the video,check again.
So the title states IM vs IM.But in the video itself,it states "GM"Hungaski.Perhaps this was an update?I'm not sure.
ganstaman
05-Dec-10, 08:15

Well, I don't understand all of what I'm reading, but I looked him up on the FIDE and USCF websites:

ratings.fide.com

main.uschess.org (type in hungaski in the search)

Both state that he's not a FIDE GM. Could he be a GM in the USCF system? Maybe, those are the pages that confuse me, but I don't see anything clearly stating that he is. I'd certainly believe it if you say it's so.
maca
05-Dec-10, 10:35

The fact that he has completed a GM norm doesn't quite make him a GM. You need three norms (plus ELO over 2500) in order to acquire the title.


Regards,
MaCa.
tactical_abyss
05-Dec-10, 11:21

Yes,I agree maca,
Then in essence,the video after it started running should NOT have illustrated him as a GM,correct?This is where anyone can get confused,without doing extensive research.Plus,sometimes the internet isn't completly up to date with all of the "norms".He does however,have over a 2500 OTB rating and has what is called performance ratings of 2700-2800.In any case,whether truly "official"or not,he does play the rating strength of a GM if you check many of his games out.And that was really the idea behind the post relative to playing IM Shahade.
tactical_abyss
05-Dec-10, 11:32

also...
At the very least,then,I would assume that Hungaski is on the brink of GM status,if he isn't officially that status level now.So theoretically its a moot point between playing other IM's and his blitz comparison play,with his norm(s) and performance ratings.
tactical_abyss
05-Dec-10, 11:44

although....his FIDE rating is below 2500,his USCF rating is above 2500.So it depends upon which organization you choose!
Too confusing for me!I'm out of here!Ahhhhh.............