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 What would you do?This was a game against a player on chess.com where I was Black. I had just played f4-f3 since taking on e3 wouldn't keep the pawn after Nb3-Nc2. With f3, I hoped to put pressure on White. White blundered and played gxf3??, which quickly lead to mate after the bishop recapture - which was a shame since it was turning out to be an interesting game! If you were White, what would you play in this position? |
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baronderkilt 04-Aug-11, 21:35 |
Deleted by baronderkilt on 04-Aug-11, 21:43.
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exegesis 04-Aug-11, 23:34 |
resign would like to post my bishop on g3 but too slow... try to trade it for blacks dark squared bishop via Bc1-a3 still to slow while Bf1 still does nothing to stop ...Bd6 and whenever I play g3 ...h4 is dangerous. |
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No defence... 1.g3 won't do on account of 1...f2. 1.Rg1 is the only halfway decent defence I could come up with, but after 1...Bd6 there is no good defence against the mate: [a] 2.g3 f2 3.Na3 (there's absolutely nothing better) 3...Bf3ch! (though 3...fxg1=Qch is good enough) 4.Rg2 h4 and White will quickly succumb to Black's all-out attack. [b] 2.Qf4 (This is the only other defence against mate. Of course, it is hopeless.) 2...Rxf4 ('nuff said, really; White has only a rook and knight versus Queen and two pawns - the equivalent of a minor piece to the bad; and Black still has a strong attack hammering at the castle gates). |
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Interesting! me! I had been thinking that I was on the losing end as well at the start of the game - castled on the opposite side, got immediate pressure then had to sac a piece for two pawns to relieve that pressure... In fact, if anyone happens to be interested here's the full game! 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.e3 Bg4 4.d4 Nf6 5.c3 e6 6.Bd3 Be7 7.Nbd2 Qd6 8.O-O O-O-O 9.Qa4 h5 10.Ne5 Rdf8 11.b4 Nd7 12.b5 Ncxe5 13.fxe5 Nxe5 14.dxe5 Qxe5 15.Nb1 Bc5 16.Re1 f5 17.Bd2 f4 18.Kh1 f3 19.gxf3 Bxf3+ |
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what would i play :) But what would i play as white after 18...f3 ? I would play 19. Bf1 Not winning at all but it narrows blacks options a little. ( resign no way ) So i like to take the test here on the forum to see if white has a small chance X-Machine what is your move after 19. Bf1 ? We play this until checkmate or draw |
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later... |
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exegesis 08-Aug-11, 15:37 |
Deleted by exegesis on 08-Aug-11, 16:31.
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In the above line... Mind you, even after, say, 19.Bf1 fxg2ch 20.Bxg2 Bd6 21.Qf4 Rxf4 22.exf4 Qf6 Black ought to win, as I remarked in Line [b] in my previous posting. But this hidden resource I mention is even better - much better! Cheers, Ion |
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exegesis 08-Aug-11, 16:24 |
Deleted by exegesis on 08-Aug-11, 16:34.
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exegesis 08-Aug-11, 16:33 |
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Hmm.... followed by f2... The above line wins but I'd like to see how Freddy would react to the moves I just suggested |
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baronderkilt 09-Aug-11, 08:19 |
Well, lets see ... Dont read on, if you cant handle a bit of the Freakishly Weird but True, & More than a little morose. This is starting to remind me of this bookstore game I played with an acquaintance... Not a frequent tournament player, my opponent had never won in our few games. Which is as it should be since I was about 350 elo higher. But this game was different and I lost to a brilliancy. But he wanted to be Sure ... and look at every possible resource I might have. And then when all failed, wanted to Back-Up the game to see at what point i might survive. Needless to say we end up backing it close to a dozen moves. And after several hours of it, I decide this probably is the most brilliantly forcing game I've ever seen; the game of a lifetime. He went home and died that night. I don't make this stuff up folks. Then the other weird part . . . It was a Caro-Kann ???! |
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ah :) Your move: 19...Bd6 -------------------- My move: 20. Qf4 your move: 20... ? < waiting And yes i know white is busted and that there is no winning the game. But playing this out in this way is a good learning experience. |
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Wow! Oh, and @ Ion...I'm a little confused - do you mean Black gets more than a rook for a queen? At any rate, I'll look into it! |
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Me pokes Baron with a chesspiece |
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@easy19... I'll go ahead and play Rxf4 |
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As in - |
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:) My move 21. exf4 your move: 21... ? < waiting |
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21...fxg2+ Anyway - prevents g3 after the queen retreat and though my pawn becomes passed I don't know whether I could protect it or not |
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Craig... x-machine: It's not that Black gets more than a Queen for the Rook, but that Black pays less than the Rook for the Queen. exegesis had the right of it. Check out his last posting. Cheers, Ion |
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My move : 22. Bxg2 |
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22...Qf5 |
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My move 23. b6 |
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23...axb6 |
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My move: 24. c4 Just making room on the board. so where is that checkmate |
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24...h4 because of Rf1... |
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My move 25. h3 |
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