Annotated chess game

how on earth can you play the Ruy Lopez if black played e6??(the french defense ), its even not the same idea .

Jka you need to understand that when someone plays something that doesn't follow what you know then you must also play something that meets the change in the position

The basic moves for the Ruy Lopez are 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5. Jkarp, how in the world could you play the Ruy Lopez if the ideal attacking post e5 is not there, and there is no knight on c6??

I think I can see where jkarp is coming from. He was intent upon the 1.e4 2.Nf3 3.Bb5 sequence almost regardless of what Black played. Back in schoolboy days, I liked the Queen's Gambit openings in which I would play 1.d4 2.c4. 3.Nc3 4.Nf3 5.Bg5. Then I encountered people playing the King's Indian (1...Nf6) and had no idea what to do against it. So I simply played the 5 move sequence I knew. It turned out to be a perfectly playable approach: I won quite a few games playing that!

Seriously - think of what a passed pawn is and you'll realise it's way too early to get passed pawns.

This is not a passed pawn, please find out what a real passed pawn is.

Jkarp, a passed pawn is a pawn that cannot be attacked or blocked by other pawns. This is not the case.

I believe jkarp is labouring under an information overload. The ideas and advices are fine, but how does one learn when this or that piece of advice is relevant, or even applicable, in a given position? This exchange line is playable enough, though not designed for excitement.

jkarp keeps trying for mate tricks at the expense of development

All white needs to do is d4 with a tempo up in static position. Its about equal.

jkarp again playing twice with the same pieces , instead of playing good moves like d4 , what a mistake .

Stop trying to win the h8-rook then. It's not going to work against anyone of any reasonable strength, and you're wasting tempi.

I agree with cdeburca. The goal of the opening is develop develop develop, fight for the center, and get the king safe. This move doesn't contribute to any of those goals.

It is so disappointing to see jkarp still trying to play foolish moves like these, remember in those three moves that you are trying to win his rook he will also have moves so do you really think he will let you win his rook? You must learn not to try and attack or win material until the middle game when you have completed development.

4. d4 comes strongly into consideration; after 4...Nf6 5. Bd3 Be7 6. 0-0 0-0 7. Bg5 White is slightly better. jkarp's move does not help to complete his development, and the knight on e5 can easily be attacked by other pieces. This move wastes tempi and black will soon catch up with white in development.

The problem, Joe, is that the threat is too easy to spot, and too easy to foil. Simply 4...Nf6 stops it cold: there is no way for white to build up further pressure on f7. But Black comes up with something even better: a counter-attack.

Black already has the better game after move 4....

the black playing very well so far ......

Perhaps so, but this move loses the game immediately. Now all black has to do is play 5...Qe7+ and white is totally lost. If he blocks the knight with 6.Ne3 d4 will get the knight. Blocking with either piece, the queen or the bishop will pin that piece, and black will collect the knight with 6...Bxg4. It was a ?? move. Whether you saw this or not, it was a good idea to allow the game to progress at a level material for a few more moves(don't let the game end too fast ). However, if you had played it, that would have been a correct punishment. Edit@jkarp-It depends on your definition of losing. After 5...Qe7+, can you prevent yourself from losing the g4 knight? There is no way. A piece is generally considered a winning advantage. Most people consider that a "decent" or "above average" player(1800+) will be able to convert a material advantage of one piece against perfect play. I did say that some of the rules do not matter(not exactly like that, but it is true). I also said that you should keep in mind only and always the base principles of chess. With the knight moves you are breaking the whole idea of activity, the only idea in chess. You can give your DSB a whole diagonal after d4, and since the bishop wasn't doing anything, it was the worst piece. The knight was already active, so you shouldn't move it. Moving a piece twice in chess is not a golden rule, its not even a good rule. The idea is that ALL principles are based on activity or psychology. If we strive to increase our activity maximally each turn, we can just forget about most of the other ideas and follow them automatically-isn't that nice?

Jkarp you said yourself that you are learning to control the centre, in which case d4 would do so, however more importantly it helps with development. In oder to advance as a chess player you must learn to develop all your pieces before trying anything tricky, development should be your goal in the opening.

Having come to the realisation that the knight has to move a third time or be exchanged off, Joe was trying to make as much mileage as he could out of the piece. But for tactical reasons, this move is not a good choice, as Black could have won a piece, here: 5...Qe7ch 6.Qe2 Bxg4.

none of your pieces are developed , this position looks like , black moved 3 move a head , and you only in the starting position , only worse (you are down in 1 piece)

I may be missing something, but you were not black, so you did not bring your queen out. Black only took back the piece on f6. Look at this position, black has developed the bishop and the queen is in an OK position, he can develop all his other minor pieces as well as castling, while you have no pieces developped and need a pawn move to develop you bsb. So black is already in a much better position.

Jkarp did you not even know which color you were???

When Black is all developed it is the time to ATTACK!!!

Material level, Black is ahead three tempi (count them: d4; Bd3; Qf3).

Now the DSB is totally locked in. b3 is impossible because of the a1 rook and the d pawn can't move either.

This is another bad move. Moving the bishop there is really bad, because now you can't develop your bsb.

jkarp you really need to learn to get your pieces out faster and finding more better outpost squares for them.

This is one of the consequences of White's knight getting so out of control earlier. It is actually very difficult already to find a decent move for White. I suppose one might be inclined to play 7.d4, but I can see quite a few fishhooks with that move, given the situation as it stands. On the whole, I'm inclined to think that this development of the bishop is as good a choice as any. White has to get castled quick smart, and d3 is probably the best square for the bishop right now. Too bad about the d-pawn, but already 'normal' ideas have to be discarded for the sake of survival.

jkarp continues his pattern of unsound aggression.

white is giving gifts so easy ,

He's not even Greek.

But a quick look at the position will show that mate isn't soon to follow. You can't mate with one piece. So there was no point even looking at this sac.

This move, or sac, would have been much better if you had more pieces out to attack the kingside, unfortunately you haven't because you completely undeveloped in the opening, therefore this move is a free piece for black.

No single piece can conduct a mating attack by itself, not even a queen, remember that in future it may also make you realize why you should get as many pieces in play as quickly as possible, thus we aim for quick development in the opening.

This is a "fail Greek gift". White is not developed and he sacrifices a piece for nothing????

@jkarp, 10...Kg8 isn't even forced, and actually I think 10...Qh6! is stronger. You need to look at all possible responses to your moves, not jjust the ones you want your opponent to play! And before you make piece sacrifices like this, make *certain* that you can actually see a forced mate or other big gain all the way through--"mate soon to follow" without knowing how it might happen is not nearly good enough.

The 'ghost' bishop? Possibly after the projected sacrifice at h7, a ghostly 'after image' of the bishop persisted at d3. Actually, this kind of thing is a well known source of blunders in chess. Otherwise, there is simply not enough heft in this attack. Even if the c1-Bishop's diagonal to h6 were open, and a knight stood at f3, the attack after ...Bh7ch would fail with the Black Queen at f6.

It would force it, but no need . Now that white has lost a piece, you have more attacking force, so its time for you to start making threats against white.

At this point white is so lost that I would keep the Queen and counterattack

its doesn't matter here , blacks position is wining , however , i liked your comment Will, with material advantage it is good to exchange pieces.

Qh6 seems like a good idea, because there is a possibility white doesn't see the mate with Qxh2#. Exchanging pieces is good when you are ahead, so thats another good thing. The downside is it weakens the kingside whether the queen is taken by the king or pawn.

Qh6 also saves the d5 pawn, due to the mate on h2.

Ng4 lost a piece for nothing after just five moves and is therefore a losing blunder. There is no reason at all to think you have winning chances when you have no pieces out.

Agreed after losing a whole piece your position was lost. By this we mean that even with best play the side with the extra piece should easily win.

Jkarp for anyone of his rating, to lose a piece so early is a losing blunder. So you are wrong. You NEVER had an attack, you simply played badly.

I think Joe, it might be a good idea to examine the position after Black's 11th move in the light of the question: 'It is White to play: how does White stand?' Look at the features of the position: [1] Black is ahead a Bishop for 2 pawns - the rough equivalent of a pawn ahead; [2] Black has developed all his minor pieces on active squares. White's have yet to move - and won't immediately because something has to be dome about... [3] ...White's Queen is under attack. [4] Black already has quite a bit of pressure bearing upon White's k-side (those Black bishops), with potential to increase this (the open h-file!). [5] Black's rooks are connected and almost ready to go. It will take White 3 moves to connect rooks. I could go on, but that will do. The fact is, White is already in a bad way, and even with superb play henceforth will be lucky to survive.

Black had many ways to force immediate material win.

You should. White has played very badly.

black domination is undesputed.

I have to agree with dmaestro. I think this is easily one of jkarp's weakest games in a long while. @ jkarp - no, this is just a bad game. You moved the knight twice in the opening for a silly reason (trying to take the h8 rook, which was never going to happen), you gave away two free pieces, brought your bishop to d3 blocking all your development, brought your queen out too early and even now, after move 15, you have three pieces completely undeveloped while black has four pieces pointing right at your king. The problem with calling it a learning experience is that while you continue to try to play the Ruy Lopez against the French, or continue to try for early queen and knight attacks against f7, it's clear you're not learning anything. And an extremely good game, almost by definition, can't contain some (not just one) terrible mistakes. I've seen some of your other games obviously, and this is by far the worst in a while. Sorry!

I hate to be harsh here jkarp but I think every move so far except 1.e5 has been bad. Even as early as move 2 you have made all poor choices. I'm saying this so that you can hopefully learn from your errors and recognize the poor thinking process you used this game so you can avoid it in future.

All of jkarp's problems sprung from the fact that he did not develop good in the opening and he sacrificed an bishop for no reason, and he brought his queen out too early.

Many roads lead to Rome. I think I would have played 13...Bxh2ch with the idea 14.Kxh2 Qh4ch 15.Kg1 Ne2#. If instead 14.Kh1 Qh4 threatens mate by any move by the Bishop at h2: 15.g3 Bxg3ch 16.Kg2 Qh2#

if i was taking the white pieces here , i would resign a long time ago .

Not resigning implies learning from the loss, not that you have any winning chances.

If Black plays ...Qh5! and Black takes the N, then Bxg3! is overwhelming.

Thats the best move. ...Qh5 will be with a tempo.

indeed ....Qh5 is the best move .

the same idea could be 19...Qh5 and threats on Bxg3 with mate attack

i was eyeing f3. EDIT again, you are right matsany!

He's defending b2.