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BC As for the points you raised. First, please read the speech. Democrats today, including, Mr. Obama, are trying to rewrite this speech, however, it is easy to see what he meant when you read what he said when he said it. I will re-read it if you will. I am not sure if you did or if you were just terribly upset that I disagreed with what he said. Second, you mentioned me being a dumbed-down fox regurgitant. I promise you I am not. I really do. Third, I like the idea that we all stand or fall together. I have some dear friends that have tried to start businesses in the last five years and been chewed up...is it alright if I send you a portion of those bills they are now paying off--as your part of the "falling together" concept? They are also losing their homes. 20+ years of equity lost. Would you mind compensating them for that as well? No? Standing together and falling together is a nice idea when it comes to the mutual defense of our country. Fighting fires. Protecting ourselves from crime. Not joining our businesses into one balance sheet. There is a name for that; Communism. (communally or socially owned property) Doesn't sound so sexy now does it? Fourth, and I will leave it here for now as I am a friendly chap. Mr. Obama has demonstrated a unilateral defiance of Congress thru Presidential fiat over the last year in ways that have grown that particular branch of the government in demonstrably amazing ways that are pressing the legal and constitutional limits of his power. I am surprised you have not noticed and have oddly thrown your argument onto Congress as he has been thumbing his nose at them and with the stroke of a pen, going around them. I write this happily, no ill feelings and a wish that you would respect my feelings as I do yours. DoK |
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bs's civics 101 the descriptive ones, the prescriptive ones, the evaluative ones -- when you peel away the emotions (which are justified) and simply focus on the content: ========> they make sense to me, a whole lot of sense, each and every one. |
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thumper. 2) Appointments; Many of The presidents appointments have been blocked by the Congress but here they are;en.wikipedia.org 3) bully pulpit; Yes the President has the bully-pulpit. If he can convince people of something(remember the president proposes) then they in turn can convince the congress. So if the congress doesn't go along with his proposals the idea's go no where. If i remember correctly George w Bush succeeded by use the bully pulpit in convincing the American public and the majority in Congress that a 'Great mushroom cloud was about to hit the USA!!!.of COURSE THERE WAS NO MUSHROOM CLOUD nor any clouds whatsoever and he knew it!!!.Wonderful use of the bully-pulpit yes!!! hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's dead, thousands of American service men and women dead or maimed billions in national treasure wasted, and best of all the escape of the perpetrator of the 911 attacks!! Bravo Mr Bush bravo!!..So i look and looked and still i cannot find where Our President is doing all these terrible things you guys are talking about.I can't find any 'weapons of mass destruction' or any proof for that matter how the president is circumventing the congress and forcing us down this dark road ya all are so worried about.And all this just makes my point that ya don't like him so ya make stuff up. By the way.The sites i reference are official Govt sites not like what you guys use as proof..doctored opinion videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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bencox1 20-Jul-12, 19:26 |
Executive Orders * Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. * Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. * Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals. * Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. * Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions. * Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. * Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. * Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations. |
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What planet are you on. |
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bencox1 20-Jul-12, 19:51 |
Drone Strikes If you cannot see where Obama is taking us open your eyes before martial law is declared and all of our liberties are poured down the drain and the constitution thrown aside. www.nowpublic.com |
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bencox1 20-Jul-12, 20:14 |
I'm done with reasoning I might be willing to debate when you are ready to debate with me and not try to drown me out with opinionated straw man arguments. |
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good!! go away |
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Didn't BO issue an executive order to IGNORE federal law about deporting illegal aliens? Didn't BO issue an executive order to IGNORE DADT laws? Didn't BO issue an executive order to ignore the DOM act? Since he directs federal agencies, doesn't all the new restrictive, federal regulations issued by the EPA and DOE reflect where BO is bringing/directing this country? My impression, about the OBAMACARE law, is that it was passed without any discussion, on a Friday night before Christmas without any legislator reading it, and it got the votes it needed because the Democrats threatened to pass it by "deeming it passed" or by using "Reconciliation" to get it passed, but ultimately by buying the votes necessary by bribing key legislators with the "Cornhusker Kickback" and the "Louisiana Purchase". I think it instructive to point out that in the nearly four years of BO, we have had three consecutive years of $1.3 TRILLION DEFICITS to the budget which has resulted in an astounding $15 TRILLION DEBT and a credit downgrade to the United States of America. And, coincidentally, we have had three years where the Democratically controlled Senate has not allowed any discussion (let alone a vote) on budgets. They have FAILED to produce one budget in three years... they should be impeached just for that. THAT is their job. It is law that they produce a budget for the President to sign or veto. |
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find that foxhole. . . <<"Your best bet would be to get some army fatigues and crawl into a fox hole to await the great Govt takeover by the Negro,/Muslim/Communist/socialist/ President.">> ya gotta luv it |
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Breadcrumbs "What planet are you on. These are not executive orders!! they are the ravings of a lunatic.Where do you get you info from. A tissue sample from glen Becks BRAIN?" Lets take a look shall we. If you will note, these are taken directly from the link BC provided. The same link she claims no such orders exist. For the sake of brevity I just pull up EO11000 as an example to show the breadcrumb trail that was fashioned. The trail runs from EO11000 to EO11490 to EO12656 to Codification at Chapter 44. Also note the amendments along the way. A convoluted trail being created, designed to confuse/confound the casual observer. www.archives.gov Executive Orders(11000-11249) Number or Date Amendments Disposition 11000 Revoked by EO 11490 11001 Revoked by EO 11490 11002 Revoked by EO 11490 11003 Revoked by EO 11490 11004 Revoked by EO 11490 11005 Revoked by EO 11490 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11490 Amended by EO's 11522, 11556, 11746, 11921, 11953, 12038, 12046, 12107, 12148, 12608 Revoked by EO 12656 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12656 Codified at Chapter 44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codification of Presidential Proclamations and Executive Orders Chapter 44 Emergency Management and Assistance Executive Orders 10222 Providing for certain transfers to the Federal Civil Defense Administration 11179 Providing for the National Defense Executive Reserve 11795 Delegating disaster relief functions pursuant to the Disaster Relief Act of 1974 12127 Federal Emergency Management Agency 12148 Federal emergency management 12241 National Contingency Plan 12656 Assignment of emergency preparedness responsibilities 12657 Federal Emergency Management Agency assistance in emergency preparedness planning at commercial nuclear power plants 12658 President's Commission on Catastrophic Nuclear Accidents -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Executive Order 11179--Providing for the National Defense Executive Reserve Source: The provisions of Executive Order 11179 of Sept. 22, 1964, appear at 29 FR 13239, 3 CFR, 1964-1965 Comp., p. 246, unless otherwise noted. Cross reference: Executive Order 11725 of June 27, 1973, 38 FR 17175, 3 CFR, 1970-1975 Comp., p. 779, which was revoked by Executive Order 12148of July 20, 1979, Chapter 44, transferred certain functions under Executive Order 11179 to the Administrator of General Services. By virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, including Sections 703(a) and 710(e) of the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (50 U.S.C. App. 2153(a); 2160(e)), and as President of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. There shall be in the Executive Branch of the Government a National Defense Executive Reserve composed of persons selected from various segments of the civilian economy and from government for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of the occurrence of an emergency that requires such employment. Sec. 2. The Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (hereinafter referred to as the Director) shall administer the Executive Reserve program; coordinate the activities of other agencies in establishing units of the Reserve; provide for appropriate standards of recruitment and training; approve prospective members of the Executive Reserve; and issue necessary rules and regulations in connection with the program. [Sec. 2 amended by Executive Order 12148 of July 20, 1979, 44 FR 43239, 3 CFR, 1979 Comp., p. 412] Sec. 3. The Director, in carrying out his responsibilities under this order, may utilize the services of other departments and agencies in the maintenance of agency and centralized rosters and in the development of training programs and materials. Sec. 4. (a) The head of any department or agency of the Government (hereinafter referred to as a Secretary), designated by the Director after appropriate consultation, may establish a unit of the Executive Reserve (hereinafter referred to as Executive Reserve Units) in his respective department or agency. (b) Executive Reserve Units existing under Executive Order No. 10660 of February 15, 1956, as amended, on the date of this order shall henceforth be deemed to be Executive Reserve Units under this order. Sec. 5. Membership in Executive Reserve Units shall be subject to the following: (1) Subject to the provisions of this order, particularly paragraph (4) of this section, an individual who on the date of this order was a member of an Executive Reserve Unit under Executive Order No. 10660 may continue to serve therein without further designation. (2) A Secretary desiring to designate an individual to serve as a member of an Executive Reserve Unit of his department or agency shall submit the name of the prospective designee to the Director for approval. Upon approval of the prospective designee by the Director, the Secretary concerned may designate the individual as a member of the Executive Reserve Unit of his department or agency. (3) An individual whose membership in an Executive Reserve Unit has at any time expired, or is at any time about to expire, under the terms of this order may be redesignated as a member under the procedure set forth in paragraph (2) of this section. (4) Without limiting the authority of the respective Secretaries to terminate the membership of any individual in an Executive Reserve Unit at any time, it is directed that continued service of a member under paragraph (1) of this section, and the designation or redesignation of a member under paragraph (2) or (3) of this section, respectively (including any designation of an individual occurring at the expiration of his continued service under paragraph (1)), shall be for a period not to exceed three years. Sec. 6. Activities of any person by reason of his continuance, designation, or redesignation as an Executive Reservist under this order shall not include acting or advising on any matter pending before any department or agency but shall be limited to receiving training for mobilization assignments under the Reserve program. Sec. 7. The Director shall report to the President annually, and at such other times as may be appropriate, on the status and operation of the Executive Reserve program. Sec. 8. Executive Order No. 10660 of February 15, 1956, entitled "Providing for the Establishment of a National Defense Executive Reserve," as amended, is hereby superseded. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By the way BC, I do have some training in Business and Constitutional law. Even so, I pulled that info up in 5 minutes off your own website. No need to even access my Law Library account... You guys are sure that lucky a friend let me borrow his laptop for a few minutes. |
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shamash to await the great Govt takeover by the Negro,/Muslim/Communist/socialist/ President." That didn't really sound like a "discussion" to me. Did it to you? |
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his name is President Barrack Obama not 'BO' |
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breadcrumbs vs Semantics and conspiracy theorys |
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here is the full list of exectutive orders from 1800-now. |
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battlefleet 20-Jul-12, 22:59 |
Janet oh Janet |
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the first thing you could do... I mean, when you write in run-on, incessant, and incomprehensible sentences, it makes it impossible for anybody to understand your message. You want to please regroup and try that again, so I can understand what you are saying, please? |
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softy. . . but it was colourful, as is the best of American invective, and is right up there with Davy Crockett's colorful: "I am that same David Crockett, fresh from the backwoods, half horse, half alligator, a little touched with the snapping-turtle. I can wade the Mississippi, leap the Ohio, ride upon a streak of lightning, and slip without a scratch down a honey-locust. I can whip my weight in wildcats, and, if any gentleman pleases, for a ten-dollar bill he can throw in a panther. I can hug a bear too close for comfort, and eat any man opposed to General Jackson." and that's not discussion, either. |
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stephen. . . when that ship you sent to Mars November 26th -- almost like a Thanksgiving voyage -- touches down in a few days. I applaud what you've achieved. But when you say <<"why do you bother with these people">> please don't lump everyone together -- for instance, I would be the first to say that although on political matters I may disagree with them -- in fact I am likely to disagree with them -- yet -- I also find what thumper says of interest, and welcome what he says, & I find what softy says is well-meant, if you are patient with his sense of humor, and if you understand he is speaking from his experience, and it is a perspective perhaps tinged with frustration -- the frustration of a patriot who suddenly senses his lack of power even as his nation's most important election draws near. And even in moments when they may sound close-minded, I know they still fundamentally are good-hearted. |
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Well. But, it certainly does not meet the authors' expectations of reasonable, intelligent and "fair" discussion. I expect more from somebody who seem so articulate, intelligent, and presumably fair (open to discussion). |
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well this has been eye opening |
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BG I did not fight and see my friends die or get get mutilated in Vietnam to see their sacrifices squandered away by the current President. So fair is fair... answer honestly my questions above about his Presidential Oder's... TRUE OR FALSE? |
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fair enough. |
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battlefleet 21-Jul-12, 00:23 |
shamash |
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everyone here about the cause they believe in and God save us from the jaded ones who have lost their capacity to care so much they could just lose the reins of control, they could explode they get so angry cause they care so much thank God for that I pray for more of these people in our world if we are to have a future. |
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bencox1 21-Jul-12, 04:41 |
One Remark Neither one is good and both will trample the constitution and our personnel liberties. |
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Closing arguments Ladies end Gentlemen, I've been through all the arguments, counter arguments, proof, lies, truth, emotions, calm and the rest. Once again, I want to remind you all that personally I feel that I am objective; I am outside the situation you are discussing here, because no mention was made of South African politics. I am a trained analyst, I have many years experience of investigation, and I think of myself as an honest person. In this thread, both arguments seem valid, depending on your point of view. I have come to the realization that neither opponent will convince the other camp, because of your subjective experience, point of view, and frame of reference. This conversation is going to get out of hand soon, and explode, and I want to avoid that. With your approval, I would like to lock this thread down, and prevent further discussion of your honorable president, his polices, laws and direction he is taking the mighty USA. Just for your information, he has done things that are good and bad for South Africa and Africa. Personally, I have no opinion of the man to the good or the bad, because he seems such a remote figure for me. So, if you all agree, I will lock this thread in a little more than 24 hours, at approximately 18:00 on Sunday, 2012/07/22, South African time. This is not an attempt to gag anybody, nor is it a license to break the rules of GameKnot, or the values and mores of the club. Please, stay calm, avoid personal attacks and slandering each other, and let's conclude this thread peacefully. Please don't open the same discussion under another thread- we want to avoid animosity between the club members. Thank you to all the contributors; we appreciate your input. |
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