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Well, as they say, "Nobody's perfect. Everybody makes mistakes." At this point, I also would like to wish everyone a happy holiday and merry Christmas.
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saintinsanity
24-Dec-13, 02:21
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Alcohol, alcohol and lastly, alcohol
I'm also going to blame anything stupid I say on alcohol.
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Not me
Sometimes, going overboard can also be caused by fatigue. Because you then wind up so tired that you'd say things, in which you didn't even want to go that far. But, it's well known, however, that being sleep deprived can have the same effects, in some ways, as drinking a ton of alcohol.
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I am going to say ..
this club as well as Team Triton..does not and will not tolerate any racist behavior..i don't care whether you are pink'blue purple or have spots..nor do i care whether you are straight metro sexual or gay...nor will i have any references made to another party regards of that.This in both team and club...
I was bought up in a family of negativity and racism and i deal with this sh** at work so it is NOT going to happen here.
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saintinsanity
18-Jan-14, 20:59
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I agree
I was just surprised that the auto-filter didn't have that word.
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that's ok..so was i..makes 2 of us.
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im curious as to y the thread was closed. people have had something to say, yeah .. leave it there for people to read .. lock it if u want. jkarp u seem to love deleting threads that cause contraversy. the use of the N word is just not acceptable .. u can say sh** f*** c*** all u want but a line is crossed as soon as u attack someones race which here seems as thou this person thinks its ok .. Im with Mrm on this 1. see how many ppl think its ok
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saintinsanity
18-Jan-14, 21:10
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You should see that I wasn't attacking anyone
The nature of the discussion had nothing to do with race, in my eyes. I was talking about words and meaning and censorship. I still maintain that words themselves have no power. The perceiver is the one who must choose to react. It gets even worse when intention is perceived incorrectly. Such is the way of the world.
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@sad_but_true:
This time, I spoke to bears1 before deleting that thread, and he told me to do whatever was necessary to get things back under control, especially because of what just happened.
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I'm sorry JK but I would have preferred to see that topic locked instead of deleted. please reconsider the deletion.
all mods can read deleted threads until they are finally removed from GK (about 10 days). I didn't see anything in the final posts that was any worse than the first half of the topic.
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Allright
Didn't know that a mod could do this, but I undeleted that thread. However, it still remains closed for any new threads. And, when I closed it bears1 thanked me for that. @chilliman: I'm doing this, in particular, for you. Yes, I also agree with sad_but_true, but at the same time, with bears1. And, I still agree that we, as mod's have to do whatever it takes to get things under control. While I don't think that it'll happen, I'm still hopeful, that we get mrmarmalade back.
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thanks jk, it takes a good man to retrace his steps.
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let jk's actions serve as notice to all - we will not be the club that other clubs snicker at. let's set the standard.
sure, have an opinion and discuss it openly but personal attacks are not warranted. we can still have fun but we are all smart enough to know when a comment goes beyond the joke.
thanks again jkarp for being mod enough to take action.
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saintinsanity
18-Jan-14, 21:32
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For my part
I don't mind personal attacks against me. You can say anything you want about me. Just don't talk about my mother!
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Actually, @sad_but_true: I agree that one should not overmoderate and delete things, unless necessary. And, what chilliman just stated was the reason for that deletion. The idea is that it's ok to have discussions, but just like how one should not just delete things, it's even worse and completely inexcusable to attack another member. Having said that, @pawntificator: Noone is going to attack you, so no need to worry. And, @chilliman: No problem, and I would like to thank you for all that you have done for this club. You do an excellent job in explaining and clarifying things. And, with all of your help, I'm sure that we can get everything back together and people will start working along and getting along with one another. @everyonelse: Let's settle down, put all differences aside, and keep one thing in mind. We're all here to have fun, and learn about chess.
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1st Admendment Club
I find it funny that the founder or who ever is looking at the ratings on the club scale must be sitting there making up things to say to keep their club in second from the top.
This person.....does this all the time...GET A life buddy...WE ARE NOT TRYING TO OUT BEAT YOU...get a life ..i know you read all the posts...
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Believe it or Not
Not only did I undelete the Mod thread, but it's reopened for new posts. As it turns out, mrmarmalade left the club, as we know. And, bears1 and I thought that it was because of some of the arguing going on in the Mod Thread. Believe it or not, it had nothing to do with it. So, I feel that I went overboard in my actions by deciding to close it down, and in fact, it might have made matters. It turns out, that MRM left because a different thread was deleted, and not by me, this time. Therefore, I agree even more with his and sad_but_true's assessment. Much like how we should not go overboard with jokes, it's just as important to not overmoderate.
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baddeeds
19-Jan-14, 09:26
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Deleted by baddeeds on 24-Jan-14, 22:59.
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saintinsanity
19-Jan-14, 10:12
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you can undelete that thread if you want
It doesn't bother me much. I don't think it was an honest discussion about my merits or failures, but everyone had a right to dislike me.
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The other thing to note is that one does not need jokes or stirring, in order to have fun. Yes, it does make things more entertaining, but the problem I have which now answers my question is that with jokes, it's much easier to go overboard. That's why I like to think of other things like things that will help one to become a better player, since chess isn't just serious, but GM's agree that chess is fun since it's fun and full of ideas. And, another way is to bring things up like vacations since they're nice and relaxing. The point here is that even without jokes, there are so many ways to have a good time.
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I like jokes. I like good-natured banter, witty repartee, posturing, one-up-manship.
I don't like insults, discriminatory slurs or personal attacks.
one can have fun with jokes and stirring but as adults we need to know the limits. I have read many times in forums that a post must pass the grand-daughter or grandmother test, ie, do you think your grandmother/daughter would find your post offensive or inappropriate? if so then maybe you should not hit the 'post' button.
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I want to view an opionion that i have about this comment..
invite Justin Berber and Miley Cyrus to his house to give them a good spanking.
I think that this comment really doesn't break the rules of G.K.
I actually found the comment funny..and i really didn't see anything really wrong with it.I am sure that they have gotten more than a comment on a chess club forum from others..
let's not be policing everything that is said in the club...we are all broad minded and the odd so called joke is in itself a light hearted view form a member..having said that it is up to the moderators to protect the club...so that is my view..we all have our own..
Thanx.
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baddeeds
26-Jan-14, 09:58
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Deleted by baddeeds on 28-Jan-14, 04:16.
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@jkcarp
“Jokes of the proper kind, properly told, can do more to enlighten questions of politics, philosophy, and literature than any number of dull arguments.”
― Isaac Asimov
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Interestingly Enough
Talk about moderating, I decided to moderate a thread, in a completely different way. This time, I didn't delete anything or close new posts. I did one thing which I've never done before, and I don't know how it works, which is why I bring this up and talk to the other moderators about this since I'm inexperienced with this kind of thing. While this is temporary and will only remain this way until tomorrow, underneath the thread options, I decided to make one of my threads in this club sticky for a different club with which I recently started called Chess Coaches and Mentors. This way, I can copy and paste a link from one thread to another or from one club to another. I think that with sticky, whenever you see a different post, the same post with which you made sticky reappears at the top. If that's the case, it'll be much easier for me to copy and paste since it will always appear at the top of the list. Not completely sure how it works, but I'm just making an inference based on what the sticky options tell you.
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Never Mind
I just answered my own question by looking and observing. And, it did almost exactly what I thought it would do. I originally thought that after a message, you get another that has that same thread, once you clicked on the sticky options. But, instead, it appears at the very top of the club forum.
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from bears1:
"I want to view an opionion that i have about this comment..
invite Justin Berber and Miley Cyrus to his house to give them a good spanking. "
I think JB will soon spend some time in a government facility where he will receive plenty of spanking.
as far as Miley is concerned... I think I would let her spank me
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Chess Coaches and Mentors
Jkarp started this club..a total different concept to what this club is about ..i think that we could all look at it and consider...
I don't by rights join other clubs ..but teh few i have joined i do recommend..and this is another one.
Some people join clubs for the sake of it...let's just get real and utilize these clubs to our advantage..
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@bears1
Thank you. It's a completely different concept then the average chess club on GK, with the exception of, "Walking the Walk and Learning How to Run." But, even then, it's slightly different. With Joann's club, it's about helping players to become better, and there are even one or two novices. But, this club has a very similar concept to the local chess club that I go to, and this one is specifically designed to help people whose ratings are 1000 or less, but I'll accept any ratings and am more then willing to help anyone improve their games. One of the reasons that I do this is that there are not too many local chess clubs nearby, so people can't drive there because of where it's located. Aside from the one which I go to and the Pawn Marshall Club, which we talked about in a different thread, I don't know of any other clubs in NY. And, if other then that one club, I wouldn't be able to join a regular club because of location. Now, if I have trouble because of that, I know how difficult it is for others to find one. That's why I started this one, and that way all of it is a local chess club, on GK where it's convenient, and the way in which you see from many OTB chess clubs. So, this new one is made to help players improve in the same way that you'd see from a club that's not on the computer.
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