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deadofknight
08-Oct-14, 14:26

Dismissing the opponent: Honesty Sucks. For you.
Panetta, Clinton, Gates, Carter, Axelrod all lob shells at the White House...

So, it appears from multiple threads that the right and left tend to dismiss the others opinions based on partisan polls and partisan writers or politically motivated authorities on certain subjects.

But, this week, both Leon Panetta, Obama's former Secretary of Defense and Head of the CIA and the most liberal President of our lifetimes---Jimmy Carter, both slammed Obama for the way he has ignored ISIS and how he is detached, unresolved and unable to cope with the worlds problems. Obama himself talks about the world moving so fast its impossible to keep up with. Thats the kind of talk that the Left would typically dismiss if it were not for the fact that it was coming deep from within the bowels of the Democratic, Liberal Wing of the party.

So...comments ont hess two articles. Together they say Obama has breached the constitution, been unable to have a cohesive plan, been shorten gin the wind and has blown it on multiple fronts, including what Carter called the implementation of Obamacare as "questionable at best".

So, dismiss those too? Or maybe you were wrong?

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Jimmy Carter: President Obama blew it on ISIL


By JONATHAN TOPAZ | 10/8/14 6:58 AM EDT

Former President Jimmy Carter is criticizing President Barack Obama’s Middle East policy, saying he has shifting policies and waited too long to take action against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

In an interviewed published Tuesday in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, the 39th president said the Obama administration, by not acting sooner, allowed ISIL to build up its strength.


“[W]e waited too long. We let the Islamic State build up its money, capability and strength and weapons while it was still in Syria,” he said, using an alternate name for the terrorist group. “Then when [ISIL] moved into Iraq, the Sunni Muslims didn’t object to their being there and about a third of the territory in Iraq was abandoned.”


The administration has launched airstrikes in both Iraq and Syria, the group that has swept across much of northern and central Iraq and has released videos of its members beheading two U.S. journalists and two British aid workers.

Carter said Obama’s air campaign against ISIL in Iraq has “a possibility of success,” provided that some troops are available on the ground. He did not specify whether he meant U.S. or other ground forces.

The former Democratic president and Georgia governor also said the president has shifted his Middle East policy on several occasions.


“It changes from time to time,” he said of the president’s Middle East strategy. “I noticed that two of his secretaries of defense, after they got out of office, were very critical of the lack of positive action on the part of the president,” Carter added, in reference to former defense secretaries Robert Gates and Leon Panetta, who have each released a memoir detailing frustrations with Obama’s foreign policy and management style. In particular, Panetta, who stepped down from the post last year, has criticized Obama in several interviews since the release of his book earlier this week.

Former presidents are often seen as reluctant to criticize one another and the sitting president out of respect for the difficulty and pressures of the job, and former Republican President George W. Bush has repeatedly declined to disparage his successor. But Carter has previously spoken out against Obama’s policies on drones and surveillance programs, and last year called the implementation of the Affordable Care Act “questionable at best.”

In Tuesday’s interview, Carter continued his criticism of Obama’s targeted killings program.

“I really object to the killing of people, particularly Americans overseas who haven’t been brought to justice and put on trial,” citing the administration’s acknowledgment in 2013 that it had killed four U.S. citizens with drones in the Middle East. Carter said those killings “[violate] our Constitution and human rights.”


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Aspiring Republican presidential candidate Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana, scheduled a big Washington speech for Monday to condemn President Obama’s defense policy. But an unexpected competitor beat him to the punch.

Leon Panetta, in an interview with USA Today’s Susan Page published just before Jindal’s speech, criticized Obama in harsh terms that would have been dismissed as partisan sniping — if Panetta weren’t a Democrat who had served as Obama’s CIA director and secretary of defense.

Panetta criticized his former boss for having “lost his way” — allowing the power vacuum in Iraq that created the Islamic State, rejecting Panetta’s and Hillary Clinton’s advice to arm the Syrian rebels and failing to enforce his own “red line” barring Syria’s use of chemical weapons.

The interview was timed with this week’s launch of Panetta’s book, in which he wrote that Obama “avoids the battle, complains, and misses opportunities.” Panetta also wrote of Obama’s “frustrating reticence to engage his opponents and rally support for his cause” and his tendency to rely “on the logic of a law professor rather than the passion of a leader.”

So when Jindal arrived at the conservative American Enterprise Institute on Monday morning, all he really had to do to blame Obama for the world’s woes was to quote Panetta.

“How did we get to this point?” Jindal asked. “Just ask the people who can be honest about what happened. Ask former defense secretary Leon Panetta.”

In a news conference following the speech, I asked Jindal to elaborate. Panetta “is now the latest in a series of officials who have served in this administration coming out and saying from the inside they saw some of the dangerous mistakes this president has made,” the governor said. “Secretary Panetta and others are echoing what is obvious from the outside, but it’s more powerful when it’s coming from people on the inside.”

George W. Bush got criticism from former advisers (Paul O’Neill, John DiIulio), as did Bill Clinton (George Stephanopoulos, Dick Morris), but this level of disloyalty is stunning, even though it is softened with praise for Obama’s intellect.

At the start of the year, Robert Gates, Obama’s first defense secretary, wrote a memoir full of criticism of Obama’s handling of Afghanistan, saying Obama made military decisions based on political considerations. Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, who also published a book this year, criticized Obama for rejecting her advice on Syria and mocked the “Don’t do stupid stuff” phrase used by administration officials to describe Obama’s doctrine.

The lack of message discipline is puzzling, because Obama rewards and promotes loyalists. But he’s a cerebral leader, and he may lack the personal attachments that make aides want to charge the hill for him. Also, as MSNBC reporter Alex Seitz-Wald tweeted in response to a question I posed, Panetta, Gates and Clinton didn’t owe their careers to Obama. Clinton was a rival, Gates was a Bush holdover, and Panetta is a Democratic eminence grise. Loyalty didn’t trump book sales — or Clinton’s need to distance herself from Obama before a presidential run.

But there’s also David Axelrod, long Obama’s loyal strategist, saying on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday that Obama made “a mistake” in saying his economic policies will be on the ballot next month. In quibbling with his old boss, Axelrod followed a path well worn by former Obama press secretary Robert Gibbs, who once accused his old boss of “exceedingly passive” action.

Obama’s most loyal mouthpiece at the moment may be Vice President Biden, who in a speech at Harvard last week condemned as “inappropriate” the books by former administration officials. But having Biden speak for you is of dubious value: The vice president’s criticism of Panetta was overshadowed by loose remarks in that same speech that led Biden to apologize to the governments of Turkey and the United Arab Emirates.

Whatever causes Obama’s difficulty inspiring loyalty, his failure is delighting conservatives and Republicans.

After Jindal’s speech referencing Panetta, Dov Zakheim, a former Bush Pentagon official, rose during the question period to add that “Panetta, who’s really a straight shooter, complains that when he argued against the sequester, he had nobody to back him up.” Zakheim also noted that Obama “completely jettisoned” an earlier Pentagon budget proposed by Gates — a topic discussed in the Gates memoir.

Jindal embraced Panetta as if he had just endorsed the Louisianan’s presidential campaign. “I think it took a lot of courage to tell that truth,” he said. “Secretary Panetta was, in coming out publicly criticizing the president, saying he still has two years to reverse the dangers and the dangerous deterioration that’s happened this past six years.”

All Obama needs to do, Jindal said, is listen to “folks like me, folks like Leon Panetta.”
softaire
08-Oct-14, 14:51

I swear that I can actually remember a news conference given by President Kennedy about 90 days after becoming President. He was asked what the biggest surprise for him was after becoming President. He replied that the biggest surprise was to find out that things were as bad as he had been saying they were.

America is beginning to find out that things are not only as bad as we have been saying they are... they are worse!
deadofknight
08-Oct-14, 15:09

Now that is remarkable.

And cuts to the real point here.
deadofknight
08-Oct-14, 17:23

This thread aint going far...

There isn't enough interest in the truth when it complicates your world view...
deadofknight
08-Oct-14, 18:07

Pay me
Honestly guys. When Im this accurate with my predictions and news you should each pay me some small fortune to tell you what is coming next. Since my post above, we get this now:

www.nationaljournal.com
deadofknight
08-Oct-14, 18:09

hosted.ap.org

and this....
deadofknight
08-Oct-14, 18:13

www.dailymail.co.uk

Read this one...its a scorcher---even Piers Morgan is all about the obama hate...

This is how it goes when you push too hard. When you lie. When you run from the constitution and claim racism for everything and place blame everywhere else but on yourself.

People hate you. And they should. You screwed up. Big time.

And you're screwing the whole world up while you're at it.

Go golf or something but shut up and look presidential if you can't be presidential.

deadofknight
08-Oct-14, 18:15

Hate from Chris Matthews:

dailycaller.com
postalpeet
11-Oct-14, 07:21

My Dad, who has an interesting background working with the gov't, has a slightly different take: this c**p with ISIL, or whatever name you want to use on them, is intentional, i.e. Obama has done this not by being careless, but because he intended it.



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