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anomalocaris 18-Oct-14, 07:33 |
 Global cooling |
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With one added element. I believe that the world is being polluted. We are wrecking our environment. And those that have run with the Global Warming ball are doing no service to the REAL issue--which is pollution. They are taking the funding and driving an issue that is faulty at best and corrupt at worst. I actually like the warming idea better than the cooling idea. But it doesn't matter--whatever we are doing, we should try to curb pollution. The global warming lemmings are screwing over the big picture which is pollution. We should really try to keep Earth clean...and try to reward those that do make efforts to keep her clean. The second issue I will add is that we are spiritually polluting earth as well. When you think of how many bad things are happening on earth, its easy to see that we are polluting our spiritual atmosphere as well as our physical atmosphere. Conservatives are for retaining ideas that are by nature, classic. We should try to pollute less, harm less and degrade ourselves and Earth less. In every way. This requires personal responsibility and a political environment that rewards those that are helping us all out. Nothing will cure the Earth more than direct rewards for clean behavior. People will always try to get out of punishments for bad behavior but rewards are always brought up by those that deserve them. They would demonstrate their good behavior and show it off...if there was a reward for it. I can actually see, in an abstract way, where entities could be built that helped large manufacturing businesses clean up their businesses and got them the rewards they deserve while retaining a percentage of those rewards for making a difference in our environment. Anyone like that idea? dok |
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saintinsanity 18-Oct-14, 14:00 |
spiritual pollution |
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saintinsanity 18-Oct-14, 14:01 |
dok |
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anomalocaris 18-Oct-14, 19:24 |
Its funny |
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Steal away... pawn, yes I did write a more comprehensive post on these ideas but I didn't include spiritual pollution. Why does death penalty come under spiritual pollution for you? Are you saying that it is simply a bad consequence people will try to escape from and we should try something more positive or that we are polluting ourselves further spiritually by killing someone--that more or less needs killin'? DoK |
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saintinsanity 19-Oct-14, 10:36 |
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anomalocaris 19-Oct-14, 10:51 |
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saintinsanity 19-Oct-14, 11:00 |
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anomalocaris 19-Oct-14, 11:51 |
Pawn I know many people are against the death penalty because it makes them feel good. Most people think there is some hope for anyone. Its a naïve misconception. those people are predators of good, of innocence and of humanity. I would kill many more if I could. |
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I also think that what pawn is saying makes sense to an extent. It sounds like he feels like killing is bad. Period. And when we grant the government the right to kill, we all have blood on our hands. Here is the trick, though, pawn. I understand the sentiment you hold, truly, I do. But there is also a question of justice and defending the weakest people in our society. When an animal of a human being rapes and kills a child, I feel that we have a duty to defend the child--and the children that child represents in the grand scope of things. We also have a duty to mete out justice for the evil that has been done. In this case, and others like it, we engage in killing for a good reason. Killing, of course isn't always bad. When we killed Hitler through sustained pressure until he put a gun in his louth, we did the right thing. Killing Nazis was the right thing to do... Interestingly, do you feel any sense of societal remorse for allowing abortions to take place? I find that those who are against capital punishment are often very conflicted when abortion is brought up in the same sentence because they cannot defend the life--and squash it at the same time. dok |
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saintinsanity 19-Oct-14, 19:00 |
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saintinsanity 19-Oct-14, 19:02 |
Stinky, i mean that there are children who know nothing about these things who are having their spiritual purity polluted by government approved killing. |
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DOK I'd like to ask Pawni to expand on that... He hates abortions but is pro choice, as ever. He says it is a conflict for him. That's it? I am conflicted, so oh well... on with life? Pawni is against all killing, except pro choice and that is OK? I wonder if Pawni is conflicted about assisted suicide? How about simple suicide, assisted or not? Does it change his mind about abortion (pro choice) to know that the racist liberals have promoted abortion in order to enact genocide on the Black population? |
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anomalocaris 19-Oct-14, 22:20 |
Pawn So are you saying the daily violence they know about isn't really having an affect but the government executions they know nothing about are ruining them? Please expand?? |
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saintinsanity 20-Oct-14, 11:53 |
Stinky, i see a difference between criminal violence and government sanctioned violence. A child can see a bad guy do something bad and it makes sense. He's a bad guy. It does pollute the child's mind, but spiritually it can be reconciled through love and forgiveness. When the good guys do something bad it isn't so simple. All of the citizens of that society are in some part responsible for the evil being done. Now, i suppose we, too can be forgiven for such an evil, but it leaves a mark on the soul. |
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Pawni ********************************************************* How do you know if the pain that someone feels from sadness or depression is any less real or severe than the pain of a terminally ill person. Or, is that even your reasoning? WHY are you NOT allowing that pain to be relieved but WILL allow the pain of a physical illness to be relieved. What is the difference there? WHY are you putting an age restriction on allowing an opt out? Is the pain any less severe for a young person than for an old person? If you allow a women to terminate/abort/kill an unborn life (choosing death), why would you even consider NOT allowing a real living person the right to choose death? What is your reasoning there? |
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saintinsanity 20-Oct-14, 16:16 |
good questions The pain of depression is very real, but can be relieved. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. As far as painful terminal illnesses go, i think people can decide for themselves when enough is enough. I'm definitely checking out around70 or80 if i have a painful debilitating disease. I was wrong to say anything about age. I don't know how to answer that last question. My cognitive dissonance it's too great. |
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I personally disagree with abortion but do believe it is the right of a woman to choose. I also believe that it is the right of any individual to choose death, if the pain is too great... whatever that may be for that person. In neither case do I have the right to interfere with that person's personal decision. |
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saintinsanity 22-Oct-14, 11:00 |
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pawn, I also agree with you completely on the idea of a spiritual society. You are right when you say that the government, when acting on our societal behalf, does things that are wrong we are all a little worse for it. We are not merely innocent because we didn't pull the trigger---when we pulled the lever in the ballot box or didn't pull any lever and opted out of the system. We are responsible collectively for our societal ethic. And when we are wrong, there is going to be a dampening of our goodness. And although I see your real hesitation and conflict, this is exactly why we should collectively understand that allowing abortions to occur as a society -- out of convenience or whatever, is a stain on the collective spirituality and goodness we share. You cannot abhor abortion and maintain that others may have this right to kill while holding dear the idea that we are responsible for each other as a group...we do share a responsibility to each other. That cannot be sidestepped. And when we allow things like abortion to occur at a rate of millions, do you think that we are not impacted as a whole? Of course we are. You are right. Those that stood by blindly and ignored the Nazi Death Camps were guilty of silence and passivity. Nobody spoke up. Some mayors of those towns that claimed they knew nothing about what was happening inside were guilty and hung. You might argue that taking their lives was no better...but it was war... We cannot expect to think that our willingness to allow others the right to kill will completely absolve us of some duty to speak up and take a stand. I think thats what is expected of us on most if not all ethical and moral issues. dok |
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anomalocaris 22-Oct-14, 12:31 |
DOK Its funny how conservatives have been prolife for years but its worded so it sounds bad. Conservatives want babies to live and murderers to die and that is bad. Liberals want babies to die and murderers to live and that's ok because they are educated. |
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saintinsanity 22-Oct-14, 12:36 |
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anomalocaris 22-Oct-14, 12:38 |
Pawn I am actually torn myself on the issue as I can see many cases where a woman should be able to abort a baby. As a rule, in general I am against it. |
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saintinsanity 22-Oct-14, 18:41 |
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Global warming a Lie says weather channel founder www.express.co.uk |
