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hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 11:10	What does this mean? 4 God is in the rain.
anomalocaris 23-Sep-14, 11:16	It could mean he is standing in a rain storm or he is in everything around us so he is actually part of the rain.
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 11:46	Religion is the smile on a dog?
anomalocaris 23-Sep-14, 11:48	Henny That is from the Mormon bible.
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 11:49	What does the Holy Spirit look like? We have pictures of Jesus and the God father. But no Holy Spirit.
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 11:51	Holy Spirit impregnated Mary with magic. What does it mean?
saintinsanity 23-Sep-14, 13:09	It doesn't matter because Mary was immaculately conceived and therefore magic wasn't a sin for her. Only Adam and Eve and Mary had such a privilege
ed_norton 23-Sep-14, 13:20	I was raised Catholic and never could figure out the Garden of Eden Scenario. How'd that serpent get in there? And planting a Forbidden Fruit was just asking for trouble, I think. I mean you put a couple of horny teenagers in a garden with a serpent, a forbidden fruit and no chaperone? Talk about poor parenting.
inhis_service 23-Sep-14, 16:32	not rocket science "I was raised Catholic and never could figure out the Garden of Eden Scenario. How'd that serpent get in there? And planting a Forbidden Fruit was just asking for trouble, I think. I mean you put a couple of horny teenagers in a garden with a serpent, a forbidden fruit and no chaperone?" The scenario is this: in a perfect and completely serene environment where everything is "very good" a creature who was later cursed to go "onto it's belly" was influenced by Lucifer to speak to Eve in a manner which caused her to question what God had said. Notice also that Adam was no where to be seen in this scenario; had he been there he could have taken his place as leader preventing Eve's being beguiled and deceived. Everything (EVERYTHING) which Adam and Eve would ever need or want was available throughout the beautiful and harmonious world God had given to them. There was no reason to even consider looking at that forbidden tree. Why? Especially when a loving God had already given them what they would need elsewhere? Except that the enemy of God wanted to spoil everything because he is evil. He purposely planted doubts in Eve's mind, thereby seducing her with lies. Today men still let themselves be deceived by lies. Nothing has changed except God's plan to crush Satan and open a way for us to be reconciled back to Him.
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 17:21	God is aw-some, wouldn't it be cool is me you and Blind went to a Bible type of LARP and we go Game of Thrones on Satan then we could braid each others hair and have pillow fights in out tent.
inhis_service 23-Sep-14, 18:59	romper room lives!
deadofknight 23-Sep-14, 19:08	Dude---it wasn't a real serpent. There was no talking serpent. It is a metaphor. A word chosen to describe how he behaved... And Eve was deceived...but Adam was not, he chose to eat it of his own free will. He did this to obey God's commandment to multiply and replenish the earth---which he could not do if Eve were cast out of the garden and he was left alone in the garden. Adam wisely chose to stay with Eve and allowed himself to walk thru the fallen and tough life he would face with her, as opposed to letting her go alone and not being able to replenish the earth. Further, they were there in a state of perfection---no death, no trouble. The fall of Adam brought about death and the lifestyle we now face. Both of those things are hard. And the beauty of Christianity is that both of those things were overcome by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Death was overcome by the resurrection and sin was overcome thru the atonement and our ability to repent and be forgiven. That is the basis of the Gospel. Had they not eaten the fruit there would have been no need for a Savior---to save us from anything. He came to overcome these two problems, sin and death so that we can be rejoined with God. And that is why he, alone, is our judge and the narrow path that must be taken is His path. Without Him we would be forever lost. With Him we can be saved. The Fall is very important and must be well understood in order to understand the Gospel. dok
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 21:12	I happen to have footage of IHS and Blind in bible Larp......coming up
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 21:15	Youtu.be/ardP-x3DgO0
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 21:17	I have need of your bible skills m.youtube.com/watch?v=IoMxvcDdnDU
anomalocaris 23-Sep-14, 21:18	Henny that first link was some intense action. Looked like a scene from the expendables 3
deadofknight 23-Sep-14, 22:11	Lightning bolt!!!
hennybogan1953 23-Sep-14, 23:37	Roll call the LARP team of: inhisservice uphisservice hisserviceisblind We Christian warriors shall smash thy Satan and we shall do battle with swords and Jesus magic. We hate devil and demons and sling bible verses at thy heathen to shame them for God, we are as unfarmiliar with heathen science as we are with the female body.
deadofknight 24-Sep-14, 08:31	Now, now....
inhis_service 24-Sep-14, 14:57	Whatever the means which Lucifer used to deceive Eve that in and of itself is really irrelevant. The crux of the matter is Lucifer is evil, and that was the main lesson which we need to remember from that "scenario". Fine, Adam was not deceived. The lesson which we need to remember here is Adam did NOT KEEP HIS PLACE as leader letting himself follow Eve's lead in disobeying direct expectations which God had set in place. It is my impression that had Adam slapped that apple (or whatever it was which God had set as off limits) from Eve's hand when she offered it to him God probably would have dealt much more graciously with Eve's offense than He did. This would have shown much more wisdom than being such a goofus. Why couldn't have Adam and Eve had replenished the earth without disobeying God? Surely they could very well procreated without painful childbirth. And I am sure Adam regretted the rest of his life having lost paradise. And, finally, had they kept to God's original plan Jesus would not have had to die on the cross, dude!
deadofknight 24-Sep-14, 15:34	You need to rethink this, in my opinion. The plan was from the beginning for us to come here and be tested. Adam was not deceived. He chose to fall so that he could remain with Eve. Tell me I don't have to explain how them being separated would have caused the plan to be thwarted. Not together=no children=no test for you and me. Wisdom was exactly what he used. And I wouldn't call him a goofus. Thats offensive. And how you arrive at childbirth without pain is beyond me. I believe he lived a hard life that was difficult, particularly when his own son killed his brother. But he did not regret doing the right thing. It was hard, but worth the pain to know good from evil and to earn to choose what is right under hard circumstances. The plan always was for Jesus to be the Savior. If Adam had slapped the fruit, Eve would have been sent away. Adam would have been alone. End of plan. The purpose of the Creation would have been thwarted. Creation happened for a reason. And it wasnt for those two to idly sit in the garden; innocent and pure--but unable to be tested outside the presence of God. It was to test mankind and then redeem them, if they chose to be redeemed by accepting and following Jesus Christ. You need to rethink what happened there. Adam's role was pivotal in bringing about the human family. He fell so that we could be tested. Christ died to overcome the fall--specifically death and sin. Together, the plan went exactly as designed. Man is able to prove himself and overcome the world thru the Atonement of Christ. dok
anomalocaris 24-Sep-14, 16:45	I have a general question I have my own opinion but want to ask some of you guys. Its not a new question. Where did Cain and Abel get their wives?
inhis_service 24-Sep-14, 20:09	"The plan was from the beginning for us to come here and be tested." The dynamics which Adam and Eve faced are completely different from what we inherited from them as a result of their allowing evil to invade our world. They lived in an idyllic and perfect world. Humans since that time have had to deal with disease, war and hate which would have been unimaginable to them. Somehow we need to choose right from wrong to the point where we are able to discern God and choose to trust in Him. And in a way these struggles are tests. "He chose to fall so that he could remain with Eve. Tell me I don't have to explain how them being separated would have caused the plan to be thwarted. Not together=no children=no test for you and me." Isn't this simple conjecture? Couldn't God simply replaced Eve? More conjecture, I admit, but that is all this is. Yes, "goofus" is strong language, but what do you call men who do not lead their wives? "And how you arrive at childbirth without pain is beyond me." To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Genesis 3:16
anomalocaris 24-Sep-14, 20:10	So Adam was a goofus?
inhis_service 24-Sep-14, 20:12	women shouldn't wear "the pants" Yes, "goofus" is strong language, but what do you call men who do not lead their wives?
anomalocaris 24-Sep-14, 20:26	Adam Did not mislead her. You can only ask someone to do something if they don't then what can you do? So are you saying if not for Adams bad leadership we would all be in the Garden today?
inhis_service 25-Sep-14, 08:11	Of course after leading a horse to water you can not make it drink, but God had made Adam to be head over Eve. She was supposed to listen and follow his lead. Instead he went along with the DECEPTION which Lucifer had put in their minds. (as any doofus might do) WHO KNOWS WHAT may have happened had Adam and Eve not capitulated to the deception, certainly Lucifer would have had to try something else. ALL CONJECTURE HERE. But it certainly possible for men to resist temptation today and continue to live free lives apart from believing lies. Who knows what would have happened had Adam and Eve continued to live lives in accord to God's expectations - WHO KNOWS, INDEED.
mo-oneandmore 25-Sep-14, 10:08	stink Your: <Where did Cain and Abel get their wives? > Come-on stink: That's simple birds-n-bees stuff!
ed_norton 25-Sep-14, 13:20	I think it's about time that we acknowledge that we don't know a lot about origins. The scientific model has logic to it and carbon 14 dating. The spiritual model has a book written by semi anonymous sources, but.... has some really valid truths. Personally, I take the Bible as an allegory or metaphor for living. There are lots of books like this and I think they all can be valid for individuals on a spiritual path. Do no harm. Insisting on one way/solution gives interested people problems.
anomalocaris 25-Sep-14, 13:23	Ed Good post. There is really no way to prove anything.
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