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deadofknight 08-Oct-14, 18:28	You're doing it wrong! Same guy who said you didn't build that business now says you're building it wrong: dailycaller.com Apparently, according to EVERY FEDERAL BANK TO REPORT SO FAR....health care costs for companies are going up at a rate that is much higher---and it is only due to the Obamacare legislation. Of course, if I said 90% of banks agree that rates are going up drastically because of Obamacare, all the people that jumped onto the 90% of scientists that claim climate change is real should be now angry with Obama and the democrats for screwing them over with this legislation. But when 100% of banks claim that Obamacare is causing rates to soar, there will be the regular crowd of naysayers and obamaphiles that defend the virtue of this plan....at their own logical peril. Buta alas, logic is not in the liberal vocabulary. It is a stretchy thing---able to be bent and altered to fit the circumstances they approve of... dok
softaire 08-Oct-14, 20:48	He reminded me of a slick used car salesman (come see me, I'll see if I can't get ya a little better deal... maybe save ya some money)
jonheck 09-Oct-14, 05:17	deadofknight One question: Why was health care cost climbing at double figures for years before Obamacare? Am I supposed to believe that all those factors suddenly disappeared?
mo-oneandmore 09-Oct-14, 06:18	I don't see the issue This is right wing exaggeration of facts. As the article states: The cost increase per employee could be as much as $5,600 per employee over ten years, which means that medical coverage might cost businesses with 10,000+ employees as much as $560.00/year or $46.00/month more over ten years. Big business should be jumping for joy, because $46.00/month is a far lower jump in rates than previous decades! For Obama to suggest that medical rate increases are the fault of these employers is a bit defensive on his part --- He could have done better if he had used his calculator before answering the question.
deadofknight 09-Oct-14, 08:56	My understanding is that the increase cited is not the actual increase total, but the increase amount due solely to the legislation. Im quite sure that the whole number is much higher. All this means is that the cost you thought was the total increase is actually the price for Obamacare. Not any actual increases due to medical costs rising. Read it again. Maybe Im wrong. Or maybe it isn't worded fairly. But thats how I read it. dok
jonheck 10-Oct-14, 03:12	deadofknight Are there any 10 year projections on the cost of health care if Obamacare had never existed, or perhaps better a 15 year projection from 2009? It could provide an interesting comparison. Politics could be avoided if one used data the was developed before Obamacare was a consideration. I was employed during those years and the yearly company message was, "we are only covering part of the increased cost next year, the rest was my responsibility", and the quality of the coverage was also taking a hit.

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