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jotheblackqueen
23-Sep-19, 13:25
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My move is 4.Nbd2
The current position is:
Martin
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4...0-0 for me
For inspiration, here is a recent game where black won a King's Indian, Torre attack. www.365chess.com
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lets Castle
4. 0-0 is my suggested vote also
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caveman1960
23-Sep-19, 22:27
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4.........0-0 is my choice
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I WILL GO ALONG WITH O O THOUGH I WOULD PREFER D4 TO CONTEST THE CENTRE AND OPEN UP OUR QUEEN SIDE AND POSSIBLE FIANCHETTO IF OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS.
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4...0-0 is my first choice since I like to castle, ASAP. It's part of my playing style.
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joe,just a hint, it is bot ALWAYS a good idea to castle as early as possible. depending on the opening and state pf the board it is sometimes more prudent to delay,and sometimes even better not to castle at all, for inatance when queens are exchanged early, the king is often more useful uncastled. neverthe less as i said in my last post, i go along with castling in the present case, although i prefer D4/
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before we 0-0 maybe consider...
if d5 is played we could still castle after. By not playing d5 first we are not playing the center which is the most basic rule of chess so with that said lets discuss what nambam has suggested it may not be d4 but its d5 for Black. I think that is what he meant?
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Excellent point, Ron. Discussing moves is important, and this is something that, watching above, kenneth_fiore_3 would want to see. Our training games were just like what we saw with a different player much earlier. So, every move that I played with Ken had to be discussed, first, so that he could see how I was thinking and change my thought process which is critical. So, let's go over each other's thought process like what Morgan and Ron just mentioned with ...d5.
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caveman1960
25-Sep-19, 20:39
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By castling first we have the option of choosing either a Kid set up or a Gruenfeld setup depending on whites next few moves. By playing d5 first I feel we play our cards too soon and limit our options. I can't see either side playing o-o-o anytime soon so k-side o-0 seems a good waiting move.
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caveman1960
25-Sep-19, 20:40
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By castling first we have the option of choosing either a Kid set up or a Gruenfeld setup depending on whites next few moves. By playing d5 first I feel we play our cards too soon and limit our options. I can't see either side playing o-o-o anytime soon so k-side o-0 seems a good waiting move.
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jotheblackqueen
26-Sep-19, 05:09
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4 ...... 0-0 has been played
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while we wait for white to move
I think we were all for 0-0 although I did bring up discussion of d5 and at least caveman explained why to go with 0-0 so it's now been made and we can now wait and see what Martin will play.
As far as showing our hand this game is being played open faced and is for learning and discussing possible candidate moves.
What are whites possible moves?
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i think white will play either c4 or e6
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caveman1960
26-Sep-19, 18:30
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I think white will play e4 and c3 in one order or the other. C3 to bolster d5 and e4 to grab more central space. Other candidate moves I would look at are g3 looking to fianchetto the light squared bishop or even possibly h4 with the idea of trying to pry open blacks kside.
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maybe c4
OR
e3
If either what are we to play?
e3 b6
c4 b6
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caveman1960
26-Sep-19, 20:39
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I quite like the double fianchetto after e3 as white is nt contesting the a8 h1 diagonal. After c4 I would rather stay in Kid mode and play d6 preparing to hit whites centre with either e5 or c5 depending on whites moves. What suggestions do the rest of you have. I tend towards classical openings against d5 so am not up to speed on these more modern openings.
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I like Ron's ideas. I hate to do this, but I have to disagree with Wolfgang about the double fianchetto, especially with him mentioning about the King's Indian Defense. I used to enjoy it, especially, in the KID. But, during our first training, and then, when I trained someone, I was corrected for wanting to do that. kenneth_fiore_3 said that modern systems show that it's not wise to do a double fianchetto in the KID. Then, when I played with a student, which I admit that I should've lost. Ken, said, which did happen, that he spoke to me and said that it wasn't wise to do so. And, when the position starts to crumble, Joe would understand. My position, indeed, started to fall apart, and the only reason I won was because the student didn't develop his last piece in the end. If he had, I probably would've been the one lost, and nowadays, I take note of it in an annotation. Plus, I even recall correcting a student for a double fianchetto. Having said that, I think that white would allow us to do, not play a move that would prevent, we should stick to our plan of ...d5, before our last move.
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I'm thinking that our next move is probably d6 which is very standard in these positions. It gives the bishop a chance to get into the game. I would probably play it against any of the most likely next moves 5.c3, 5.e3 and 5.e4.
d6 doesn't rule out playing b6 later anyway so we don't lose the possibility of developing the bishop to the long diagonal if we so wish.
There are other good options too after each move, so let's see what he goes with.
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c3 has been[layed
The current position is:
Martin
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we could play h3 and make him commit his bishop, d6 or d5 is another option i like as it opens up a good diagonal for the bishop,and also allows the option n8d7 if we want. i will wait for comments before comitting.
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caveman1960
02-Oct-19, 21:30
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So white is continuing with a plan of bolstering his position and not pressing the iniative. Like a coiled snake he will strike if we make a mistake. The two candidate moves I would like to discuss first are d5 and d6.
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caveman1960
02-Oct-19, 21:34
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I'm not a fan of h6. I feel we weaken blacks Kings position for too little return. At the moment it's more like an arm wrestle than a boxing match.
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i agree. i would rather develop. i just mentioned it as it is an option. i actually favour of either d5 or d6.
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by the way Wolfgang,i see you are a fellow okker,and obviously a good chess player. fancy a game? if you do, pick your color and challenge me,regards Morgan.
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caveman1960
03-Oct-19, 00:34
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Very over rated Morgan. Rating result of two really good tournaments. Heavily reducing my game load has slowed down the Points I'm shedding.
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I completely agree with Wolfgang to. So, the question is which one. I have a very slight preference for d5 over d6. And, that's only because, about a move earlier, when we castled, Ron's vote was to play d5. With that being said, it's also about what he thinks we should do, that is between those 2 moves. One thing is for sure which is that no matter where we go, the result is the advancement of the d pawn which is critical for center control, as redfoxrising also noted.
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caveman1960
03-Oct-19, 16:17
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So which is better d6 or d5 or is there other candidate moves we should be looking at
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In terms of candidate moves, yes, my vote is either d5 or d6, as I feel that they're simply the best. However, I'd also look at ...Nc6 but don't know how good it is. I know that in 1.d4 d5 openings, we should play that, until the c pawn has advanced. And, while white played, we didn't, so then my question is would this move work for black, or would it get us into trouble?
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