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I'll also go with 7.e5
taking back 7.d5 due to the analysis above I want us to make the best move and after all the discussions I think dmaestro has found it
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You're not worried about 7...e5 8. dxe5 Nxe5 9. Nxe5 dxe5 10. e4? I feel our pawn on e5 is a little out of place both in terms of protection and blocking the g7-bishop. That was the reason for suggesting Re8 first.
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I would not be worried about Sam's variations since black doesn't lose material at the end of the variation. But, I know that there's something about 10.e4 that would give them an advantage since Sam said something emphasized it. And, I think it's giving them a space advantage with more space in the center. So, on that note, I'm with Ron and also change my vote to 7...Re8.
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dmaestro
15-Oct-19, 21:57
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I agree e5 needs support so Re8 first. My point was an e5 is the normal pawn break here against the white pawn structure here. en.m.wikipedia.org Sorry for any confusion.
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caveman1960
16-Oct-19, 01:15
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If we are looking at giving the e5 push more support maybe we should look at Qe8 then when we look to push f5 the rook is supporting.
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both pc5 and the rook move suggested by simon look o.k. to me I will vote for 7...pc4 hoping for 8. pxp so we can reply with Nxp with an excellent position for our nite.
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caveman1960
18-Oct-19, 15:08
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While preferring 7....c5 I'm happy to go with e5 and to defer to dmaestros expertise in these KID positions. If 7....e5 8.dxe Nxe5 9.Nxe5 dxe 10.e4 I think 10..... Qd6 unpinning gives us a comfortable position.
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Current Position
My vote is 7. … Re8
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2 votes for c5 by caveman and nambam I believe(nambam voted pc4)
4 votes Re8 jkarp,redfox,5imon,dmaestro
Does this seem correct? I posted the diagram as to make it easier for us to finalize our votes.
Hope this helps us to make our votes more clear or change current suggestions to a final vote.
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caveman1960
18-Oct-19, 20:05
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So if we play Re8 we obviously plan to follow with e5. So what is our plan against e4 or Be2
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jotheblackqueen
19-Oct-19, 03:20
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jotheblackqueen
19-Oct-19, 05:02
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UH OH, UH OH - Maybe 7....... h6
I have just received this pm from Dynamic Dave
"From dynamic_dv
Hello, jotheblackqueen,
Hi Joanne,
I have been following your consultation game with Martin closely and feel you have been doing well up to now.
I also think you are going to hand him the advantage by playing 7...Re8?? this move reduces cover on the vulnerable f7 square allowing an attack down its diagonal by bishop and Queen and also allows him to play Ng5.
I would play either 7...e5 or 7...h6.
Just my two penneth!
Regards, Dave"
So maybe we need to play h6 before we even consider moving the rook away from the protection of f7.
Regards,
Jo
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jotheblackqueen
19-Oct-19, 12:01
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7....... h6 has now been played!
Sorry guys but we had only 1 day and 1 hour left on our clock.
With kind regards,
Jo
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dmaestro
19-Oct-19, 14:42
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Makes sense tactically.
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i agree
just goes to show all the discussion and well we found a better move thanks to dave!
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caveman1960
19-Oct-19, 20:10
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Having played h6 are we looking at pushing e5 next or are we going to try and hunt whites dark squared bishop down. g5 and Nh5
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Bd3 hasbeen played
Thecurrent position is:
Martin
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I like that Dave is involved. So, unless he says otherwise, my vote is 8...e5 for the reason that Michael mentioned earlier.
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i pr opose that we move 8...b6 to be followed by c4 expanding the queen side, i think we have fallen
ehind in development, and need to get some space and get more say in the centre.
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If we want to be exact, we're only one piece behind in development, Morgan. That seems bad, but Wolfgang implied earlier that isn't. And, if I worry too much, then I'd only be voting on a move just to develop. And, I agree that there's much more this game then just development.
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i believe our queens nite s in the wrong position. should be on c6 beneath c5 n my book. our kngs nite is snookered for a long time, and we are weak centrally. we should have played a queens indian instead of the hodge podge we have,
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by the way. i have been playing chess for eighty years, and have never seen a kings indian setup played a gainst a torres attack. i reckon Martin is rubbing his hands.
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caveman1960
24-Oct-19, 01:59
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Nambam has a point. We do seem to be chopping and changing between plans.
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I agree with nambam
Our development is piss poor, were so cramped. Normally we should have played more natural moves. Is there a way to improve our position? Our N is blocking our L.S.B Our Q is blocked in.
Look at our f7 pawn. how about d5, does that help or worsen our position?
80 years of playing chess! I'd listen to his input!!!
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8...e5 for me
let's open it up. Are we cramped or poised to leap?
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caveman1960
24-Oct-19, 18:46
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Either8......c5 or 8.....e5 for me gaining space and attacking whites centre
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I would continue with the plan 8...e5 or possibly 8...b6, certainly not c5 yet.
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caveman1960
25-Oct-19, 01:27
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An educational chance for myself and the rest of the group. Why is 8.....c5 inferior dynamic_dv?
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8....c5
IMHO playing 8....c5 loses us Tempo and hands the advantage to our opponent.
After 8....c5 9.0-0 what do we play then? if cxd4 then cxd4 gives white a half open file to put his QR on straight away.
Ultimately it is up to you as a team to decide what to play I am just an onlooker trying to point out the pitfalls in some suggested moves, as Nambam pointed out I feel you are struggling in a cramped position and my opinion for what it is worth is 8...e5 is the best move to relieve King-side pressure.
Dave
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