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tactical_abyss 22-Feb-13, 08:03 |
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elegance in chess |
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Does this count... 1. e4 c5 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 dxe4 4. Ng5 Nf6 5. Bc4 Bg4 w 6. Qxg4 Nxg4 7. Bxf7+ Kd7 8. Be6+ Kc7 The downside of this whole line is that a pusillanimous Black can bale out: 8...Ke8. 9. Bxg4 Qe8 10. Ne6+ Kb6 11. b4 cxb4 12. d3 h5 13. Bf5 Qf7 14. Be3+ Ka5 15. a3 Rh6 16. axb4+ Kxb4 17. Bc5+ Kb5 18. Nc3+ Kc6 19. Nd8+ Kxc5 20. Nxf7 1-0 This line, arising from a Grand Prix Attack, I have dubbed the "Demolition Derby Gambit.' This is my only game with this line, but it has featured in at least one MT on Gameknot, plus several pick-up games. The line can also be played in a Caro-Kann (where it is just about a 'gimme' win for White, by the look) or a Bird Opening. For the Queen, White gets a surprisingly virile game - not so much an attack as a bind. |
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Counts in my book Ion |
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tactical_abyss 26-Feb-13, 15:11 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 26-Feb-13, 15:13.
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tactical_abyss 26-Feb-13, 15:15 |
Yes,this counts as a Q sac game,just a different variety.My Q Sac games differ in yours that I get next to zero compensation(only 1 pawn)...and my sac is in the opening from move #3.Usually I capture the pawn on f7,which is of course,blacks weakest square. So,it even riskier with only getting the one pawn,whereas you higher compensation for your Queen sac....blacks Bishop.So the variety and risk is different.I usually end up throwing my Rooks around like medicine balls at supersonic speeds. By move # 9,your sac gives your opponent only a 3 point value advantage,overall(1 major piece)...but again,yes,this is a great Q sac game! What the heck was the rating of your opponent in that game?1200?1300? I enjoy sacing a Queen,or a Knight or Bishop in blitz with anyone from 1000 to about 2100...(Knight,no Queen for the 2100 player!),especially if 1.They are new to the GK site and 2.If we never played previously.I get the usual responses like...."are you a beginner?"Or..."????????" or..."idiot,you will be crushed"!Ha ha!Little do they know that they are standing in front of a wall that is going to slide towards them at high velocity being pushed out by compressed coil springs 50 foot long into the wall behind them only 10 feet back which has needle spikes sticking out at every square inch!And no escape to the side or upwards or downwards!Ha,ha! Again great game ion. Looks like black could have escaped at a few spots like you said.But then,my blitz opponents could do the same as well...but in 8 out of 10 games,do not escape!(5 minutes or less). |
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tactical_abyss 26-Feb-13, 15:55 |
I said above that I do not sac a Queen with a 2100 rated player.Incorrect!I forgot,that yes I do sac a Queen against 2100 players even up to 2300 rated players!HOWEVER,when I do that,its almost always for a timing-out strategy with those opponents,or possibly seeking a draw or stalemate.And that is a totally different strategy.So,i'm not playing for a mate win. My game in the other TA sac post thread illustrates this,against bigm752003 rated at 2130. Of course,as I said many times before,a players true blitz strength is USUALLY LESS than their regular correspondence rating strength....not always but most of the time.In my experiences, the average blitz "strength"of players in 2 to 5 minute games is approx 200-300 rating points below their corresp rating.If,however,they are playing a 10 minute to say,20 min blitz game with incremental time controls,then their blitz strength comes alot closer,say,100 points below their corresp rating.Again,this is "average",not written in stone for players.It isn't for me,but then i'm the abyss,not a normal human being!!!Ha ha! |
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Here's his annotation of the game with comments: gameknot.com Some time before I annotated this game between easy19 and jstevens gameknot.com I'll see if I can't find the annotated game between easy19 and the 'inventor' of the Gambit. |
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tactical_abyss 26-Feb-13, 16:38 |
In many respects it shows areas where those players need to take a few steps back and see the flaws in their chess movements.In ions game there would still be a minimum of atleast 500 rating points between him and his opponent.But I assume its a corrsp game,not a blitz game,so that makes it even more unusual,especially if that opponent had "experience"with it! Hmmmmmm.Me think,he had one too many martinis that evening! |
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Not a Q sac this one... White: ionadowman Black: fak119 Position after Black's 37th move ( game) w 38. Kg2 Rxf2+! A combination that nets White's Queen plus Pawn for Black's two rooks. 39. Qxf2 Rc2 40. Rf3 Rxf2+ 41. Kxf2 Qb1 42. Rxe6 Qxb2+ 43. Ke3 Qc1+ 44. Ke2 Qc2+ 45. Ke3 Qc7 46. Re5 Qc1+ 47. Kf2 Qc3 48. Ke3 Qe1+ 49. Kf4 Qd2+ 50. Kg4 Qg2+ 51. Rg3 Qxa2 All this manoeuvring has induced White to take his rook off the e-file, and allowed Black to clear out White's Q-side pawns, with his leading b-pawn already well advanced. 52. Re7+ Kf8 53. Re5 Kg8 54. Kg5 Qf2 55. Rge3 Qg2+ 56. Kh4 Kg7 Now White stages a comeback... 57. Re7+ Kh6 58. Rh7+ Kxh7 An essential part of White's plan. Black has just one legal move: take the rook! 59. Re7+ Kh8 60. Re8+ Kg7 61. Re7+ Kf6 62. Re6+ Kf7 63. Re7+ Kf8 64. Re8+ Kg7 65. Re7+ Kf6 66. Re6+ Kf5 67. Rf6+ Kxf6 Again, Black's only legal move. Stalemate! |
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tactical_abyss 28-Feb-13, 14:56 |
Looks like fak119 is not on GK anymore,atleast not with that name.His account is deleted. |
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tactical_abyss 28-Feb-13, 15:03 |
We should rally to get more members in the club!I wonder if its allowed to post "join the club"in the regular GK forums?ha ha!???? Its you and I usually doing 90% of the chat and thats ok,but we need more input!Maybe because there is not much game competition in this club like other clubs?I'd be willing to add somethings if necessary....but I really did not want to start the club as another competition outlet,I don't have the personal time for that! |
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tactical_abyss 28-Feb-13, 17:21 |
Yes,sometimes the easiest positions can be overlooked with a quick draw imposed to the unwary. What on earth happened to easy19 rating over the months?He was like,at close to 2300 at times,now he's down to 2048.Quite a difference,indeed.Did he have a series of time-outs? |
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tactical_abyss 28-Feb-13, 20:47 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 28-Feb-13, 20:50.
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tactical_abyss 28-Feb-13, 20:50 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 01-Mar-13, 04:37.
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tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 04:37 |
What do I say to this??? Answer:Hogwash!!!! Good job,jkarp,and it was wise not to resign that other game....many would have resigned with that piece and two pawns down!Your gain would have been another players loss! |
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rmannstaedt 01-Mar-13, 04:43 |
join the club As moderator of the "Knights of Honor Chess Club" I can say that I wouldn't mind you posting an add for your club with us. Just do it in a separate thread, ok? Then we can use it for other clubs too; I think it would be nice with some more club-to-club cooperation. |
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tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 05:51 |
Deleted by tactical_abyss on 01-Mar-13, 07:27.
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tactical_abyss 01-Mar-13, 07:27 |
Yes,I know that it wouldn't be good idea to post in the regular forums...thats why I typed in...Ha ha!But i'm already advertising right now as I write this reply in my own club,since these posts are being read by non club members as well!And guess what?I just got another club membership request at about the same time you wrote the paragraph above! But thanks,I do not prefer to post or ask in other clubs.I feel that anyone reading the club intro,combined with the strength of the members and knowing me from the regular forums should suffice,that is if they are serious enough about improving their game.But the club is young.Most of the other clubs that have huge amt's of members have been around alot longer,so i'm sure thats part of the reason we only have a few members yet.I feel underneath, however,that alot of players have an excess of competitive spirit locked up inside them like a compressed spring ready to leap out and play,play,play,against other club members,masters,ect ect ect....even though they can play all they want in their regular GK games.This is all fine and well.And thats one of the big draws that magnetizes players into those clubs.But I know from experience in other clubs I belonged to or started on other sites,that it actually bores alot of players to actually WANT to study,break down their game strengths and weakness's,try to improve,get directed into proper book reading,and other more "teacher like"approaches.See?Some players mindsets are...who cares?They just want to play,play,play!They feel,hey,i've been playing for 10 years now,I haven't got any better,nor will you be able to improve me,nor will I listen like some classroom lecture!Boring!!!So,lets play against the master with my companions and see where the cards fall!5 heads are better than one!Action baby,not some stuffy classroom!The problem with that competitive game play(with say,5 players all getting together at one time to play against a master)...are they really individually learning to improve?Technically,I say no!Why?Did you ever hear the term cliffnotes?How about a computer programs suggested moves?Well,in a sense,when you get 5 players together,many of those players will have suggested moves for them plugged in already before the final decision is made,so you are getting the answers ahead of time,maybe even before you had a chance to look at the position!So,it does not,many times leave the "individual"chess competitor a full mental search on is own to rack his brains and come up with "his"unique conclusion.Plus,all of his "teammates"playing that master could all be jumping off the cliff with the wrong way to progress in that game,especially if they are say,1300-1400 rated and are playing against me,for example.So,individual ways to instruct and get involved in the theory and analytics,research and more is usually better.So what i'm trying to say here is:5 heads are not necessarily better than 1!!!!! So,yes,I like to take a more analytical approach to the game,but I also realize that just competing is not enough to improve your game.It may be fun and sociable to do those things and alot of players do not want to be in the limelight by themselves being shown where and when they went wrong(for example)in a game...(hey,don't expose my weakness's mr abyss!)....but it is even more important to do this if one wants to improve.But then,underneath,ALOT of players say they want to improve but 1.actually are lying to themselves or 2.Do not actually want to take the time and effort to improve and do the midnight burning of reading,studying,taking advise and much more. So,my idea was and still is to get a few more masters and senior masters to join my club and get down to a bit of more depth of help to those in need of improving.Take for example some of those "political" clubs with 300 + members.How many of those players really want to improve their game???Next to zero,if you ask me.Just look at the chess ratings in those clubs alone.Yes,its a political chit chat club like a bunch of women bickering at a tea and crumpet party or a bunch of guys wearing old english wigs ready to throw each other to the gallows...but this is a chess site,not some gov blog to try and improve the world with voting ballots.That,my friend is BORING to me!!!Maybe I should start a club up and call it:The proper way to groom your dog or manicure your toenails???I'll bet I get 50 members right away!Ha ha! So,either way,time will show me who is truly interested in learning and joining.Like I said,i'll give it a year,then after that if it does not gain alot of interest,it will be dismantled. Thanks again rmann,for your input. TA |
