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tactical_abyss 01-May-13, 10:38	The speed of the "chess move" string... This string is for any club member to chat about their opinion on players who they have either a problem(in opinion) or no problem at all with players taking as long as they want,even in lost positions.The chat can include the topic of conditional moves as well. I'll begin with copying and pasting something I wrote in the GK forum's just recently which gives you my opinion regarding players taking longer to move in "all"circumstances,even sure lost positions.Its long,so,you'll have to excuse that,but thats the way I write.... extra long!: "I look at chess sort of like the game of 8 ball on the pool table.Most people think they know the rules of 8 ball but they really do not know the "real rules" and have played it wrong for years.For example,when the 8 ball goes in on the break,some players say...oh thats a win!And some players say,no thats a loss!Well,the real rules(and you can buy an official rule book to find out)...is that you neither win or lose!The other player(who did not break)has the option of reracking the balls or "respotting"the 8 ball and play the rest of the game from that position.In bar rooms this cannot be done most of the time because when the 8 ball goes in it has to stay in(on pay tables)...thus,their is a "bar"rule of win or loss...but the bar rule is not really accurate relative to the "real" and true rule of 8 ball.Thats more of a "house"rule.So what do I mean by this?Well,the real rule behind 8 ball is that you must get all your own balls in first(either the high or low balls)and then only go for the 8 ball to make it a legal finish of the game,and if the 8 ball goes in on the break,that did not conform to the rule of first getting all your own balls in first.And of course,if he "scratches"when going for the 8 ball he loses." "Same way with chess.You must allow your opponent to finish ALL his moves(including conditional moves)for the game to legally finish.And just like in pool where the shooter can "saw"away at that shot for about as long as he wants,in chess your opponent can take the full 2 to 14 days to make the move,no matter how annoying it is.Thats corrsp chess for you!" Hi doc3170, "So which part of my paragraph do you disagree with?I'm not sure I understand you correctly?Yes,all players have set time limits as I also said above and they are entitled to take the full amount of time,so there is no "rudeness"involved if they want to take to the last minute to move.There really is by definition,no stalling either,since they are simply utilizing the given time limit either by moving in an hour or the full 3 days,for example. See,everything is an "opinion" and I disagree with you,that most players would think its "rude" or bad form to drag out an "obvious"loss.See,we have to define an "obvious"loss.What is an obvious loss to a 1200 or 1300 rated player?That loss may be obvious to you,but not necessarily your opponent!And if your telling your opponent that it is "over"in 3 more moves,then that by definition can be construed as "rude"!And if you did not say anything to him,ok,but you cannot stake you "life"on the fact that he knows all of these "obvious"things that you do!Perhaps your opponent may want to find a way to escape,look for a draw or take more time to analyze a position...even if he KNOWS its a loss!!!! So no,its neither rude or unsporting or bad form to take as much time as they want...even in a lost position that the opponent will lose in a few more moves.Thats what your conditional moves are for...and use them against your "definition" of a "stalling"opponent.Then it dosen't matter what he does when you engage those conditional moves...right?Next someone will be saying..."well conditional moves are unsporting or rude,especially when they go all the way in to mate the opponent".No,I disagree!For it "counterattacks"the logic of a so called "staller" by giving him a speed medicine back in his courtyard! As to a sure loss...that is a highly relative term.Take a look at my Queen sac games in my club forum(The Elite chess club).I give away my Queen on move # 3 which is the equivalent of 3 major pieces in the opening.Most players would already say...TA,throw the towel in,your going to lose!Ha ha!Well,take a look at who wins...and I win against much higher rated opponents than 1200-1300!In deeper psychology terms,it is sometimes actually a cool ploy for your OPPONENT take longer in not only a true lost endgame,but in obvious exchange moves,if,and I say if YOU have a HISTORY of time-outs!Why?Well,your opponent might lose in 3 more moves,but you may end up timing-out the longer he waits and then HE will win!!!!Rude on his part you say?No,I disagree.Its a strategy and a ploy.And as Patrick Swayzy would say in the movie "Road House"...."opinions vary!" So,doc3170....let me remind you that you mentioned above that it is "rude to rush your opponent".With that said,then the logical response is...it is NOT rude for any opponent to take as long as they want to move,even in lost positions,including time-outs with sudden vacations.There are other "hidden" reasons some players take longer to move when its near the end of the game.One of the hidden reasons is that they may have another win coming up in a week or less and they might want to reach that "elusive"goal of their all time best rating by beating that player first and finally,even for a few days,reach that 1500 rating(for example) and get an "all time high"notification from GK.But by immediately taking the loss to you,they may never have reached that rating goal.So its for all kinds of reasons players take longer in their moves,and the "end"is not always as obvious to some,as it is to others like yourself Doc! But getting back to the original form of this post,the best way to speed up a game(against your opponent no matter how long he is taking)...is to continue to use conditional moves in positions that appear lost for your opponent or request a draw a few times in what "appears"to be a drawish game.But other than that,it can be "rude"in some players opinions to call someone a staller,when,infact they are simply abiding by the time limit rules in any and all positions on the board...even a mate in 1!" And thats corresp chess for you! TA
tactical_abyss 01-May-13, 12:06	One other way to "speed up" a game is to make sure you only play 2 or 3 days per move,but also check your opponents profile on "average move time".Zero in,if you can on playing only opponents that have less than,say, 10 hours ave move time and no time-outs and again play 2/3 days per move max.Some of those ladder games,I see you playing appear to have extra incremental time and you have some games that have 5,10 and 14 days per move,like against your opponent slyfox4323 you are presently playing.The day I play a 10 or 14 day time control is the day the universe ends! So if you have time controls like that(monstrous time controls!)that can take a game forever to finish,the last thing I would have mentioned is how to speed up an endgame with an already frozen pancake syrup time control that you accepted or created or did not have to play in the first place!For the logic is this:If a game is set at 2 days and your opponent has a 5 or 10 hour per move ave move time(approx)...then even if that player "slows down"in the last few moves in a mating net,the OVERALL time it took for the 2 day per move game to finish should OVERRIDE the length of time it takes a 10 day per move game with an opponent that also has,say a 24 hour ave move time on his profile!So,any slowdown,even in a mating net you can simply yawn at!!!Planning and strategy and setting better time limits with ALL your games and opponents will speed up that game in a natural way,even if the opponent slows down to a snails pace in some of the individual moves.
baddeeds 04-May-13, 08:47	As you saw in this thread, I had a lot to say about it. And, that is shown below. gameknot.com
tactical_abyss 04-May-13, 09:26	Yes,I remembered reading your past post and mine and others.Good response Jkarp! Its a bit strange,but I sometimes seek out players that take longer to move and have a high time-out stat on their profile.Call it taking candy from a baby!Gimme,gimme those points! The bottom line is that some players simply do not take chess seriously even if that was the only game on Earth to play!They don't care about moving quicker in obvious moves and they don't care if they lose a million rating points.Nor do they try to improve in any way,shape or form.But then,thats the way I feel about wiffle ball as well!So to each their own!And thats ok,since I love to drop a thousand anvils on those type of players from 80,000 feet altitude while sipping a martini and laughing at them hysterically!Take all the time you want buddy!I'll wait until one day you may just stuck in traffic while your winning game slips away from you and your clock hits zero.Time for a second martini,but hold the olive!
tactical_abyss 02-Jun-13, 08:42	Again,as I mentioned many times before,I do not care how long an opponent of mine takes to move,Infact,if they run their moves to the wire alot,then there is a higher probability that they will time-out and trust me,i've seen it many times even when they were winning against me! So keep that in mind,when you are being a bit impatient with your opponents slow down or change in move time. Its interesting to note something unusual.... Many GK players do not realize this,but do you know that there are players on GK that actually think that they "must"take the full amount of time given to them per move?Yes!Its not exactly a matter of thinking about a complicated move or not having much personal time or anything like that,but they feel since they are entitled to 3 days,that they "will"take the full 3 days to move even on move # 1 or #2!Yes!There are some players that feel that there may be something wrong or unethical by moving too quickly,even if they are absolutely certain of their next move and no fear of an opponents response move.YES!!!!Sort of like...I paid for that huge banana split and i'm going to eat that whole thing down to the last peanut,even if it kills me! No,i'm absolutely serious!Its funny,I know,but its a fact! Yes,there are all "types"on GK!
edwardphz99 05-Jun-13, 05:06	Chess pace I have been trying to make at least one move per day per game regardless of the time limit. But I am using more of the allowable time when I think it is necessary-hopefully before it's too late! There is a danger of blindly making moves, and this has cost some games, but this is where one can learn about oneself. It is something to discover about yourself. There is some difference between "book moves" and then reading the nuances of what has changed.
tactical_abyss 07-Jun-13, 05:32	In reality,there is a misconception that a player is probably going to play a better or stronger game and make less errors using the full amount of time given to him in a corresp game.If one lacks the higher skills in positional/tactical theory compared to another opponent of theirs,the player that takes even two full weeks for every move and their opponent who is a few hundred rating points above the other player only takes an hour or less for every move...it does not mean that the player taking 2 weeks a move is going to play better! If one lacks a specific set of chess skills,you could look over several mid game moves for 10 years and I,for example in 15 seconds,could very possibly destroy your strategy you thought up for the next 10 moves over 10 years!So,sometimes,over analyzing can be detrimental or have very little effect on your game.Sometimes its actually best to move quicker and get that karma and tempo going.Too many players also overly depend upon book openings and suddenly drop off the cliff when the book ends after move # 12.
edwardphz99 07-Jun-13, 12:41	chess pace Yes, I've confused myself for taking too long. Each person finds a comfort zone.

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