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xpchesser23 26-Nov-13, 07:22 |
 question about closed sicilianYou see the recommended for white e4 c5 Nc3 Nf6 d3 Nc6 g3 d6 fianchettoing the bishop this is good for black because your able to take out the key defender of the closed sicilian Nf3 if he places his knight on f3. But im always encountering this instead of a fianchetto bishop, a bishop placed on c4. Placing his bishop outside the pawn chain. Heres how it looks like 1.e4 c5 2.Bc4 either 2.d6 or Nf6 then d3 transposing into a closed sicilian type position. That be great if anybody can help. |
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My personal preference Cheers, Alexey |
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So far on gameknot |
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tactical_abyss 27-Nov-13, 15:42 |
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tactical_abyss 27-Nov-13, 15:44 |
xpchesser23 With the holidays I don'y have much time to discuss the closed Sicilian,infact i'm leaving for work in a few minutes.But I will be discussing the closed in much more detail,soon,I hope. Overall,my best games have centered around a Rossolimo Attack or hyperaccelerated Dragon,especially for white.... 1.e4,c5 2.Nc3,g6 3.g3,Nc6 4.Bg2,Bg7 5.d3,d6 and so forth.Black equalizes well,but white gets attacking chances quite often against an unwary opponent.Favored by GM's at the Marshall. As to....1.e4 c5 2.Bc4 either 2.d6 or Nf6 then d3 as you mentioned.... If 2....Nf6,have you tried 3.e5?Equality follows quite admirably after 3....d5 4.Bb5+,Bd7 5.Be2,Ng8 As to 2....d6 in your line above, I would suggest 3.Nf3(for best tempo development)and depending upon black's responses which will probably be 3....Nf6 then:4.Nc3,again natural developing move 4....e6 5.0-0,Nc6.Game is equalized on both sides,however,it is also considered doubled edged if white fails in additional more"closed"development,and breaks the center too early.White,in my opinion,has a better game statistically in the 2....d6 transitional moves. I would suggest the subtle 6.h3 to spawn a potential King side attack down the line. More in time,I gotta go! TA |
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darknite13 01-Dec-13, 17:03 |
My personal experience When I first used this opening, my opponent was 300 points ahead of me (I was like 1500ish so do the math on the strength of opponent), and I made a move that I thought was a mistake, but turned out he was just thinking of an appropriate response as he had never seen it used before: 1) e4 c5 2) Nc3 Nc6 3) Bb5 A variation I used because I got mixed up for a bit and thought I was playing a Ruy Lopez (at over the board tournaments I tend to mix some openings together but it doesn't seem to hurt my game much). Eventually in that game, he was so uncomfortable with the position he ended up resigning after nearly using his entire clock to try and regain some confidence. Lesson to be learned here is this: while there is less chance for the advantage, using the closed variations requires less theory to learn and there may be surprise value in the unusual lines. |
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darknite13 01-Dec-13, 17:41 |
@alex_ratchkov - Tips for the dragon Because the Sicilian is more of a unit than most other defenses, it is possible and worth while to lay down a number of general principles which will be found to be valid in a large majority of cases. The dragon can be a mighty formidable, feared, dreaded weapon. And like a great titanium sword, with a finely honed acid sharpened edge it can split the opponents army in half and eviscerate the King. The Dragon Variation is Black's most direct attacking scheme in the Sicilian. The Fianchettoed Bishop on g7 exerts a powerful influence on the long diagonal, bearing down on the center and queenside. The opening is named for the serpent-like pawn formation of Black's kingside. The name is also appropriate for the aggressive dangerous nature of the defense. Black can generate crushing attacks when things go his way, or his position can go up in flames. The dangerous Dragon Variation is the head of a constellation of related lines where Black fianchettoes the bishop at g7. Usually it is reached via 2…d6; 3.d4 cxd4; 4.Nxd4 Nf6; 5.Nc3 g6. White normally castles queenside and launches a pawnstorm on the kingside, while Black aims everything at the White king. The Dragon attacks frequently on the chessboards of major tournaments, and a lot of theory has been accumulated for this variation. Dragoneers are known for spending many long hours in their caves, preparing new traps. In the Dragon formation the tongue of the serpent is the Bishop at g7 which can lash out all the way across the board to inflect serious damage. Black will castle kingside and use the combined power of the bishop at g7 and a rook on the c-file to create tremendous pressure at c3, often sacrificing the exchange, either to win the pawn at e4 or to disrupt the White king's defenses should White castle on the Queenside. Note that Black's pawn structure; h7-g6-f7-e7-d6, which resembles a dragon. Black goes for a Kingside fianchetto where the g7-Bishop will have a strong influence along the long diagonal. From White's perspective, Black has failed to adequately keep the d5-square guarded, and can use this point to his advantage. If Black tries a later …e7-e6, the d6-pawn will be vulnerable. The Dragon can be met in an expected variety of ways that all boil down to a crucial decision: Will White castle Kingside or Queenside? Once White decides where he'd like to park his Majesty, he can decide which formation he likes best. Now how does one attack this as white? The sharpest way I like to attack the Sicilian Dragon is to play 7. f3 intending Qd2 g4 h4 Bh6 and a big kingside attack. If white castles queenside, black must use the open c file for counter play and get a rook there as soon as possible. In the Sicilian Dragon play is characterized by where white chooses to put his king. If he goes queenside there is going to be a lot of attacking (this is not an understatement)! If white castles queenside, black must use the open c file for counter play and get a rook there as soon as possible. Always watch out for the possibility of black playing rook takes knight on c3 ripping white's queenside pawn structure apart and weakling the e4 pawn. Black's most important piece is his bishop on g7 try to exchange it as soon as possible. One of my great weapons to attack the dragon (depending on the variation black uses) is the Yugoslav Attack, the only weapon in White's arsenal that poses a serious threat to the Sicilian Dragon. White fortifies the center, castles queenside, and then attacks along the h-file. As Bobby Fischer put it, White's play was simple, sac and mate! The Yugolsav Attack has been subjected to intense scrutiny for many years, but it is still not clear which side gets the advantage. Most of the games are bloody, though draws by perpetual check can be found when one attack or another is about to run out of steam. While castling Kingside by White can certainly bring about attacking schemes, the sharpest lines of the Dragon Variation occur when White castles Queenside. My experience has been mostly a successful one, as most of my games against lower rated opponents rarely get into the full lines of this opening without some mistake I pick up on and exploit. Though when I do get a game going against a stronger opponent, the position is drawn for a long time until someone finds a weakness in position to exploit. This turned out to be much longer than anticipated, but figured I'd try to offer my 2 cents. Regards, Ken |
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tactical_abyss 01-Dec-13, 18:14 |
Yes,not as common a move in the closed Sicilian,but it can transpose into many variations.My database comes right up with the B23 closed Sicilian(with the moves you illustrate above) and usually encompasses lines without the g3 fianchetto.I noticed the GK database fails to continue when trying to plug in 3.Bb5.Thats one of a million reasons I do not even give the GK database of openings a glace with blind eye's...except this one time! I agree that in some cases,there is less of a chance for the advantage,but some of the variations of B23 offer a pretty good chance at winning for white,percent wise: www.365chess.com and as MCO-15 puts it on page 346:"3.Bb5 is whites best theoretical alternative to the open variations.This logical developing move allows white to castle and retains options for various plans." I agree with you(in part) that the non open Sicilians actually require less theory to learn,but not necessarily so in other closed openings such as the Ruy.For example,as I mentioned in my other post and as MCO-15 quotes on page55(regarding the Ruy)...."Many players use the exchange variation to escape the massive amount of theory required to play the closed variations and other lines".So again it depends upon the opening and variations sometimes relative to the more or less theory required. Great post on the Sicilian!If there is one opening I fear after I open up with 1.e4 its the Sicilian open or closed.I have admittedly canceled a game on occasion(on GK) depending upon the high success rate of my opponent after he responds with 1....c5.This is after I do my extensive homework on his past games.Names,I will not mention! |
