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 I remember the exchange in question well. The President is not a doctor or a scientist, but a politician - so common sense dictates that his comments are from a layman's POV. We appreciate that - while the media never fails to try to capitalize on it. Inevitably, this results in the same boomerang effect as the infamous "Crossfire Hurricane" fiasco, |
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Wrong Classica! The sheep in his cult follow what he says and believes his nonsense, no matter how absurd his comments are. A couple of weeks ago he was pushing a malaria drug as a “game changer” and a magic cure. The next day a couple got a hold of that chemical and the husband died from it and the wife was in the ICU For several weeks. Why did they try it? Because Trump, hyped it a “safe” miracle cure with no downside and said he was going look at taking it himself. Ÿou are right; he is not a doctor, he is a politician and a businessman who declared bankruptcy six times between 1991-2009 (so maybe not that successful of a businessman after all!—I prefer the ones who don’t run their company into bankruptcy time after time after time, so he should never be making medical recommendations to the public and that is what he did. They were recommendations that all of his medical experts publicly and openly did not support, but he ignored the doctors and pushed the drug instead, And his sheep-like cult blindly followed him. A few days ago a VA study showed that 27% of the people who took the malaria drug alone died of heart problems, 22% of those getting the malaria drug and an antibiotic died, and just 11% of those in the control group, getting no meds, died. Thus, the drug that ImPOTUS pushed on everybody, and had the US Government buy millions of doses to stockpile, has a significant chance of killing you! Just 2 days ago the FDA issue a severe warning for that drug, saying that based on other studies it should not be used on Covid-19 patients unless they can be closely monitored in a hospital (so no more home use, after weeks of Trump touting it like a carnival barker). And how does ImPOTUS respond to questions about it now—not a word, and refuses to answer such questions. Trump should NEVER have dispensed medical advice. If he says this drug is great and you have nothing to lose, people listen because he is an authority figure to those sheep. The net result is that many people have unnecessarily died because they tried the drug combination that ImPOTUS so widely touted. This is in addition to the thousands of Americans who unnecessarily died because he downplayed and ignored the coronavirus for two months. When he should have been insuring the US was prepared, he openly ignored all of the official warnings that he received from HHS, CDC and medical experts, because as a self-described “genius” he knows better.. So, when he tells people that injecting disinfectants could potentially kill the virus, the blind sheep in his cult that follow him will do it. In fact, on Friday poison hot lines across the country received many hundreds of calls asking if it was safe to consume bleach and Clorox since ImPOTUS talked about doing it. You claim that the fact that he is a layman and not doctor makes a difference? Hell No! In his position the 40% sheep-like cult that follow him will believe him over the doctors. I don’t know anything about the boomerang effect from “the crossfire hurricane fiasco,” but I cannot see how that would be applicable. This is an instance where a buffoon makes irresponsible medical pronouncements and people die because of it. Period. |
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Hydroxychloroquine is only available with a doctor's prescription. If a doctor writes a prescription for a drug, is it not the doctor's responsibility, - and not the President's - to take all measures necessary to insure their patient's well being, or be sued? The drug may be extremely helpful, but some pre-existing conditions or genetic markers can cause the drug to be deadly to some people. This is why physicians are the only one allowed to legally dispense it. If people find and take drugs on the black market - and fail to read the warnings associated with the drug - I don't think the blame rests exclusively with the President. |
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Common Vaccine Ingredients: Thimerosal - Disinfectant Formaldehyde - Disinfectant These are common ingredients that our kids are getting shot into them, they are also classed as a disinfectant. Disinfectants are already being injected into the human body, has been for a long time. Your President just got the Media and Doctors to Admit that Vaccines are unsafe, people still don't want to believe it. |
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President's Responsibility President Trump pushed hydroxychloroquine, prompting multiple independent drug trials. A couple of small, poorly conducted trials started this whole thing. In the first, two patients died and a third put on a ventilator. All three were removed from the study, giving it a 100% success rate. Jenny McCarthy has never had nurse's training, but she did dress up as a nurse during her Playboy Bunny career. Based on her statements and one sham study linking vaccines to autism, the world has wasted tens of millions of dollars proving there is no connection. And millions now fear life saving medical technology. <<Yes, hang on every word and dig deep for fault.>> Dig deep? Obama subtracted the three states he had not visited from the fifty US states, and ended up saying "57 states.". He was excoriated for months for this. And for the "terrorist" fist bump with Michele. Then we dig deep to find the tiniest slip up by Trump. Did Revolutionary War soldiers ram the ramparts and seize the airports? Do windmills cause cancer? ("They say the noise causes cancer."). Does Finland rake its forests? Is California diverting rivers into the Pacific Ocean? Are wheels older than walls? Are either one medieval technology? Is bombarding burning French cathedrals via water tanker a good idea? Dig deep? Question: What do you get when you nuke a hurricane? Answer: A radioactive hurricane. I don't see us digging deep to expose Trump's appalling ignorance on ANY given topic. Bush was far smarter than he is. FAR smarter. Bush may have coined a few special words (they misunderestimate me) but at least he knew Laura's name. And the names of both of his daughters. It is "Tiffany," Mr. Trump. Your youngest daughter's name is "Tiffany." I never wondered if Bush could spell hamberder, or wondered what in the hell covfefe might be. What is truly sad is not his tweets, rife with ignorance and personal insults, but official White House releases full of gross misspellings and inaccuracies. Our business has three people read everything we publish--at least three. For our Covid letter we had at least four people review it, and I had a fifth go over the format to improve HTML compatibility on multiple devices. Trump should be running every statement brought White House Council--MAYBE they would catch one of his gross mistakes. It sickens me the nation looks like it is being run by incompetent buffoons. "Only the best people." |
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the world has wasted tens of millions of dollars proving there is no connection..." And on and on it goes, misinformation from little lord shiva... CDC Admits In Federal Court They Have No Evidence “Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism” www.collective-evolution.com The FOIA court filing: cdn1.collective-evolution.com “The most recent data from CDC shows that 1 in 36 children born this year in the USA will develop autism,[…] This is a true epidemic. If the CDC had spent the same resources studying vaccines and autism, as it did waging a media campaign against parents that claim vaccines caused their child’s autism, the world would be a better place for everyone.” The CDC complains that those raising concerns about vaccine safety are unscientific and misinformed,” […]“But when we asked the CDC for studies to support its claim that ‘vaccines do not cause autism,’ it is clear that their claim is not grounded in science.” Scientific study: (to name just one of many) Aluminium in brain tissue in autism www.sciencedirect.com If you think the scientists and the CDC (and the court) have it wrong, kindly produce some supporting evidence. |
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If this "study" was so overwhelmingly conclusive, why is the CDC recommending that anyone traveling to a country with Malaria, which is more than half of the world, take chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or other quinine derivative drugs as chemoprophylaxis. In other words, the CDC is advocating the use of hydroxychloroquine for people with no illness, so as to prevent them from possibly getting malaria in their travels. This is straight from the CDC. wwwnc.cdc.gov CHLOROQUINE AND HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE "Chloroquine phosphate or hydroxychloroquine sulfate (Plaquenil) can be used for prevention of malaria only in destinations where chloroquine resistance is not present (see Chapter 2, Yellow Fever Vaccine & Malaria Prophylaxis Information, by Country). Prophylaxis should begin 1–2 weeks before travel to malarious areas. It should be continued by taking the drug once a week, on the same day of the week, during travel in malarious areas and for 4 weeks after a traveler leaves these areas (see Table 4-10 for recommended dosages). Reported side effects include gastrointestinal disturbance, headache, dizziness, blurred vision, insomnia, and pruritus, but generally, these effects do not require that the drug be discontinued. High doses of chloroquine, such as those used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, have been associated with retinopathy; this serious side effect appears to be extremely unlikely when chloroquine is used for routine weekly malaria prophylaxis. Chloroquine and related compounds have been reported to exacerbate psoriasis. People who experience uncomfortable side effects after taking chloroquine may tolerate the drug better by taking it with meals. As an alternative, the related compound hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be better tolerated." These drugs have been used for decades. I doubt the "study" you refer to is fully peer reviewed and a true litmus test for the drug's safety. If it was, it is highly doubtful the drug would still be on the market and being fully endorsed by the CDC. Patients taking the drug should be closely monitored for QT prolongation, which seems to be the danger to the heart - although that is not mentioned on the CDC website. To further illustrate the pushing of a dangerous misinformation agenda, State Rep. Karen Whitsett, D-Detroit is being censured by the Demoncrat party for using hydroxychloroquine to save her life: www.detroitnews.com The anti-hydroxychloroquine / pro-vaccine propaganda machine is chugging along. |
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Hydroxychloroquine CDC recommending that anyone traveling to a country with Malaria, which is more than half of the world, take chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or other quinine derivative drugs as chemoprophylaxis. In other words, the CDC is advocating the use of hydroxychloroquine for people with no illness, so as to prevent them from possibly getting malaria in their travels. This is straight from the CDC." Yes. That has long been accepted practice--if you are going to a malaria infected country AND you do not have a heart condition or Covid-19, they recommend this prophylactic measure. Does hydrochloroquine prevent Covid-19 infection? No. Is it effective in the treatment of Covid-19? No. If you have brain cancer, vitamin C isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. You take vitamin C to treat (or prevent) scurvy. Aside from that it has very little medical benefit. Similarly, you take quinine or a derivative for malaria. It turns out to be proven effective for certain types of rheumatoid arthritis, and for one other condition--but has no demonstrable effect in the treatment of any viral infection. Malaria is not a virus. It is caused by a the plasmodium bacterium. |
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Veteran's Study It was also ten times larger than the original cocked up French study where 3/20 of the subjects were removed--because two of them died and one went into the ICU. Anyone can get remarkable results if they just pitch all the bad ones. "I let the test subjects hold a magic marble and they ALL were cured!" "What about the three who died?" "Sample error?" I forget the word for this--I wish I had written it down. We had the Girl Scouts reproduced the Hertzsprung-Russel diagram using sample data, and the instructor moved one misplaced red giant into the sequence where it really belonged. I raised my eyebrows at him because he didn't have them double check--I guess he just wanted to move the lecture along, and he quickly replied with a comment that had me burst out laughing, concerning fudging the statistics. I *WISH* I could remember exactly what he said--it was brilliant! |
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I thought previously it was said we lay-people don't have the smarts to figure out what dem scientists is talking 'bout. Therefore, without references, it's just "blah, blah, blah" Example from our minister of misinformation, little lord shiva: "If you have brain cancer, vitamin C isn't going to do you a whole lot of good. You take vitamin C to treat (or prevent) scurvy. Aside from that it has very little medical benefit." Vitamin C is used in cancer therapies: www.sciencedaily.com www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Medical benefits of Vitamin C: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov |
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Facts Still Matter Classica… The VA study was released on April 21, 2020 The FDA issued a major warning about the drug on April 24, 2020. As a reference, I suggest that you read this article entitled “FDA warns about hydroxychloroquine dangers, citing serious heart issues, including death: Trump has repeatedly touted the drug, calling it a potential “game-changer” despite a lack of evidence”: www.washingtonpost.com The online CDC publication that you referenced is dated July 1, 2019! Yes, that is TEN months PRIOR to the VA study, (and some other smaller trials which had the same scary results) and the FDA formal warning. The guidance in that particular publication is now incorrect and out-of-date (based on very recent research and the issuance of a formal FDA warning). FACTS Classica, FACTS! BTW, the Detroit State Representative claiming to be “cured” by hydroxychloroquine has no proof whatsoever that she was “cured” by this drug. 73-78% of the Covid-19 patients taking this drug managed to survive and 89% of the Covid-19 patients not taking this drug survived. If anything, she risked her life by taking a drug that has no therapeutic benefit for Covid-19 with nasty, killer, side-effects. The rationale for the Michigan Democrats (not the national Democratic Party) is considering censuring her is because she "has repeatedly and publicly praised the president's delayed and misguided COVID-19 response efforts in contradiction with the scientifically based and action-oriented response" from Michigan's Democratic leadership, "endangering the health, safety and welfare of her constituents, the city of Detroit and the state of Michigan." So, she does not believe in science and is putting people at risk if they follow her recommendations. Sounds just the guy in the White House who puts orange make-up on his face each day. Give extra credit to Michigan for trying to stop their elected officials from endangering the lives of their constituents by making harmful medical recommendations to their constituents. The US Congress should censure ImPOTUS for touting treatments that can kill people as well. Heck, maybe impeach him again! |
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Scott is Right I *DID* watch the press briefing, and could not believe my ears. There is simply no way to justify this nonsense (I copied down what he said--I had to back it up and play it half a dozen times to make sure I had every word right). A day later Trump backtracked, insisting he meant the statements as "sarcasm." I think he meant to say he was just being facetious, because that wasn't sarcasm it was just plain stupid. So yesterday Trump insisted the comments were a prank. It is unbelievable to me the twists and turns people go to to defend these comments. NO! You do not "cleanse" the lungs by injecting disinfectant. That is NONSENSE. I've had people try to explain that disinfectant is the same thing as vaccine. No, these are not the same thing at all. Disinfectants are essentially bacterial toxins. They kill healthy cells as easily as they kill pathogenic bacteria. Vaccines, on the other hand, stimulate the body to produce antigens tailored against specific viruses. These are NOT the same thing, any more than antibiotics are vaccines. |
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Vaccine Conspiracy Theories Too? The author indicates that anti-vaxxers resemble a cult because they have several of the key features of cults, such as: 1. Members of the cult have special insights that outsiders cannot comprehend. With anti-vaxxers, this means they are completely convinced that they know that vaccines cause harm, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. 2. The group and its leaders are the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, and no other process of discovery is credible. The anti-vax movement has had several prominent leaders, whose followers flock to their speeches and events. These include Andrew Wakefield, the disgraced former doctor who lost his medical license after it was revealed that he had committed fraud. His followers, though, either don't know or ignore his fraudulent past, and regard him as a hero. He makes a living from his books, a movie, and speaking fees, all based on spreading fear about vaccines. An even more prominent anti-vax leader is Robert Kennedy, Jr., who also sells books and gives speeches proclaiming the harms of vaccines. Thanks to his famous name, and despite the fact that he has no medical or scientific training, some people believe him. 3. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. Conspiracy theories are the core of many anti-vax arguments. The most common version holds that the "medical establishment" (whoever that is) are hiding the dangers of vaccines so that they can make money. This is utter nonsense. All of doctors I know in the infectious disease community are motivated by a wish to cure disease. In any case, most doctors make little or no money from the vaccines they administer. 4. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget or expenses. Some anti-vaxxers profit handsomely by selling bogus, ineffective supplements as alternatives to vaccines. If you don’t like this article, there are thousands more that debunk this nonsense. I am not sure why you are raising your vaccine conspiracy theories in this particular thread. This country will never be able to FULLY re-open activities, events and the economy until a vaccine is distributed to everyone who wants one. And, one cannot safely travel until people are vaccinated. A vaccine is the only thing that can put this virus in our rearview mirror. Anyhow, I am not going to argue specifics about your vaccine conspiracy theory with you. If you don’t believe in science, the you don’t believe. Facts are facts, and FACTS MATTER! |
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Sad-but-True Formaldehyde - Disinfectant These are common ingredients that our kids are getting shot into them, they are also classed as a disinfectant. Disinfectants are already being injected into the human body, has been for a long time. Your President just got the Media and Doctors to Admit that Vaccines are unsafe, people still don't want to believe it. >> No one is shooting kids full of thimerosal or formaldehyde. Thimerosal WAS used to keep the vaccine from getting contaminated. A doctor in Australia years ago vaccinated a bunch of school children, several of whom died because the vaccine he injected was tainted. To guard against that we started putting a little bit of mercury in a form the body does not absorb as a preservative, more than as a disinfectant. The same is true of formaldehyde--it preserves the vaccine. If we thought the vaccine was already infected we would dump it out. SECOND--no one is injecting disinfectant into people's lungs. That would be as stupid as Finland raking its forests, or California diverting rivers into the Pacific, or Revolutionary War soldiers ramming ramparts and securing airports, or nuking hurricanes. All things the idiot has proposed in times past. What does Trump really mean when he uses words? People love him because he talks plain--he speaks their language. And then we have to suffer hours and hours of folks explaining what the idiot REALLY meant by the stupid things he has said. Why can't we have a president who is NOT a blithering imbecile? I swear, at this point I'd be thankful just to have George W. Bush back. I was never ashamed to hear him speak, or embarrassed he misspelled simple words on White House press releases. He really only embarrassed the country once--and that was when his torture program was revealed. Speaking of torture, Trump campaigned on restoring it, and doing far worse--including the murder of the family members of prisoners of war and ordering our troops to engage in war crimes. He later backed away from these promises, but who thought THAT is something that would restore America's greatness? Torture? The good, well meaning folks defending Groper all have crepe Covid masks. I mean--egg on their faces. I know you guys want do to the right thing, and that you want what is best for our country. Trump isn't it. He is crass, uncouth, divisive, ignorant, arrogant beyond any justification (some arrogant people at least have some cause), rude, a bully, a charlatan, and a con artist. He has attacked gold star families, and berated a war widow. He praises dictators while attacking our allies. He has never been the president of all America, only of those who fawn upon him and smooch his ample derriere. "You want PPE? First praise me!" |
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Intersting Article Shiva... ImPOTUS has spoken for more than 28 hours in the 35 briefings held since March 16, eating up 60 percent of the time that officials spoke, according to a Washington Post analysis of annotated transcripts from Factba.se, a data analytics company. This great article breaks down what topics ImPOTUS talked about during these briefings and how much time is spent on each topic: www.washingtonpost.com For example, "over the past three weeks, the tally comes to more than 13 hours of Trump — including two hours spent on attacks and 45 minutes praising himself and his administration, but just 4½ minutes expressing condolences for coronavirus victims. He spent twice as much time promoting an unproven antimalarial drug that was the object of a Food and Drug Administration warning Friday. Trump also said something false or misleading in nearly a quarter of his prepared comments or answers to questions, the analysis shows.” Anyhow, this article is a must-read! |
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Vitamin C "Cancer researchers have homed in on how high-dose vitamin C kills cancer cells. Vitamin C breaks down to generate hydrogen peroxide, which can damage tissue and DNA. The new study shows that tumor cells with low levels of catalase enzyme activity are much less capable of removing hydrogen peroxide than normal cells, and are more susceptible to damage and death when they are exposed to high doses of vitamin C." So vitamin C is dangerous for the same reason H2O2 disinfectant injections are dangerous: Injecting 35 percent hydrogen peroxide can cause: inflammation of the blood vessels at the injection site. oxygen bubbles that block flood flow and lead to gas embolisms, which can be fatal. destruction of red blood cells (red cell hemolysis)Mar 6, 2018 "Vitamin C has a patchy history as a cancer therapy." It is very important to note that ascorbic acid (vitamin C) is NOT being used in any legitimate cancer therapy at the present time, only that the effects are under study. And it really isn't the vitamin C that is responsible for differential survival of cancer vs. healthy cells--it is the resulting H2O2. Killing a cancer cell is one thing--generally speaking a good thing. Killing a viral infected cell, however simply releases more copies of the virus that cell has produced. A virus is far different from a tumor, and the treatment for each is also radically different. I really wish we had orkneylad here to correct my mistakes and provide better information. On one final note, Classica, Groper uses the adjective "little" as an insult for many people. If I have insulted you in any way I apologize for that. You certainly don't deserve to be insulted--you don't deserve to have your arguments lightly dismissed. I hope I have treated you with the utmost respect. I do not attack people (except Groper)--I attack ideas. I attack my own ideas as zealously as I attack the ideas of others. Sometimes even ideas that I agree with. I play Devil's Advocate when there isn't anyone around better equipped to examine faults. Have you ever seen the movie, "Little Lord Fauntelroy," or read the 1886 Burnett novel? Everyone loves Cedric. |
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Thanks, Scott! Yes. Let us seize this opportunity to lavish undeserved praise upon ourselves over the fine job we have done. <<[Trump] boasted that the federal government got excellent grades for its disaster response in Texas and Florida, but he complained that the even better job done in Puerto Rico had been ignored. “I think that Puerto Rico was an incredible, unsung success." “I actually think it is one of the best jobs that’s ever been done with respect to what this is all about,” Mr. Trump said of the federal government’s response. He also falsely stated that the island’s electric grid and generating plant “was dead” before Hurricane Irma and then Hurricane Maria struck within weeks of one another. “If he thinks the death of 3,000 people is a success, God help us all,” said Carmen Yulín Cruz, the mayor of San Juan, in a post on Twitter.>> www.nytimes.com Oh yeah. After suggesting "it will be 15 people, then miraculously dwindle to zero by the beginning of April," Trump decided that "100,000 to 240,000 deaths from the coronavirus would be a rousing success." God help us all! |
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posts, filled with such a plethora of garbled and convoluted information, are an insult to my intelligence, and all the various points are too voluminous to respond to. Case in point - vitamin C is not just good for scurvy. Vitamin C is involved with many essential processes. I have friends who have recovered from cancer using IV vitamin C. It is a viable therapy if the patient is in good health otherwise and has medical supervision. I guess this is the way that you chase people off of these forums, L_S - by constructing voluminous inane posts, that no one has the time or impetus to correct. You believe you know everything, and the rest of us must just get in line lock-step. If only you could see yourself. Well arguing on the internet is an exercise in futility. I believe the Washington Post and the New York Times are fake news, so no point in arguing about them. So, I'll keep posting information I find, you will keep trying to bury it under an avalanche of ramblings. And so it is. WWG1WGA |
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Do Pink Unicorns Exist? www.collective-evolution.com> Yah. No one has any evidence vaccines DO cause autism, either. That is by far the more critical finding. We used to wonder what caused malaria. Some thought watermelons. Was there any evidence watermelons did NOT cause malaria? Incidentally, New Jersey's rate of autism is 1 in 32. For the rest of the US it is only 1 in 54. In Alabama, where vaccinations rates match or exceed the national average, the rate of autism is only one in 175. Less than a third of the national average. |
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Fake News The REAL fake news is Breitbart, Infowars, and Fox. They intentionally lie to you. |
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Additional Fake News... Any whacko with a camera, computer, and a tin foil hat can readily produces these videos and throw them up on YouTube for free and they pretend to be a "real news" source. Gullible people not only believe them, but consider them to be valid "news" sources. To me, these are even more dangerous than Fox and Breitbart. Beware! |
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Your Information Train is Jammed, Man! Jeffrey Goines : There's no right, there's no wrong, there's only popular opinion. I love these quotes from one of my favorite movies (about a global pandemic), 12 Monkeys. www.imdb.com |
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scaggsvillescott "Stop telling me what your leader meant to say. If he can't speak for himself. He shouldn't be leading a nation." |
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Posting this again because many did not see this. Isit, you will truly enjoy. www.youtube.com |
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Nobody will change the mind of anyone else www.facebook.com and stop the hate. |
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