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 And thank you dmaestro for that very insightful post. I have always found Job fascinating. It even appears to describe a dinosaur in one of the passages. That whole chapter was very insightful to me |
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Over Sixty Million Years |
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Lord Shiva You key a name in and I thought "Lord Shiva--Destroyer of Pins" sounded awesome. For GK this was far superior to the Russian nickname I originally took from my Yahoo address. I prefer not having numbers in my handle, like "Natanovich7". If I can't be first, I'll pick another. So whenever I took my daughters bowling I'd throw "Lord Shiva" up on the ceiling above our lanes, where the scores are kept. "Destroyer of Pawns" lacks the same panache, but it's still fun. "Pasha" means something very different in Turkey than it does Russia--honors I don't deserve, but I guess if my adventures ever take me to India I'll be set. Maybe. "Ganesh" is kind of growing on me too now, though... "Remover of Obstacles." I think I'll stick with Shiva. Oppenheimer's famous quote comes from the Bhagavad-Gita, and I'm not certain how Shiva fits in with that. My familiarity with Hindu religious belief is far less than my understanding of Islam, the first or second largest Abrahamic religion. |
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Surprising The translation of the quote on my page is "second only to women's flat track roller derby, chess is the greatest sport." |
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Carbon Dating C14 has a half life of 5730 years. After ten half lives, 57,300 years, so little C14 would be left the amount would not be measurable. As for the accuracy of C14, it is quite good. Organic material buried by Mt. Vesuvius, in Pompeii, was dated to about 80 AD. The volcano itself erupted in 79 AD, according to excellent historical records. Ship timbers from the Vassa were dated to within a few years of its construction between 1626 and 1628. But that is all irrelevant when it comes to dinosaur fossils, none of which have any original surviving C14. |
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Shroud Dating If a sample is contaminated, the C14 date will not be "right." Creationists made a big hay and hullabaloo out of living mollusc shells dating back hundreds of years. But the marine biologists dating those shells expected ancient dates, as the material incorporated came from long dead matter. Only plants incorporate C14 rich carbon. Incidentally, the nuclear weapons tests of the 1960s introduced a little excess C14, throwing a small monkey wrench into dating of objects after those years. Science convinces me the dinosaurs lived 60 million years ago (and more). Because we can use radioisotope dates of volcanic matter sandwiching layers entombing these ancient creatures. But even before we had absolute radioisotope dates, we had a pretty good handle on the age of dinosaur bearing strata based on the length of time required for various geologic processes to occur. |
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Sixty Million Years naturalhistory.si.edu |
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There is No Way People used to say that, but the statement itself was ridiculous in that birds are heavier than air, yet seem to have little trouble winging their way hither and thither. Lord Kelvin, the President of the Royal Society of England made a forceful declaration. "Heavier than air flying machines are impossible..." He was proven wrong eight years later by Wilbur and Orville. Others beat the Wright Brothers, it's just that the Wright Brother's machine could be steered. It was highly maneuverable. |
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And actually the KT. Boundary is around 65 to 67 Million years ago. A boundary that covers the entire Earth. They theorize that the huge amount of debris had fallen back to earth and when it started to what up on re entry the earth got as hot as a pizza oven. The world literally Burned. Also If God wanted to tell us how old the earth is. God would have said.... this is how old it is. ... ... any guess at age in man's interpretation of scripture and man is falable Besides there are many more important things than guessing the age of the earth from the Bible who never directly tells you nor was meant to. We should follow the teachings of Christ and then after we have mastered that. We can then go on to those types of trivial matters. But I know of only one who had Mastered it... the one who taught it. |
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Guessing Earth's Age Knowledge is power, though in the case of Comrade Groper ignorance is power. But the better, more accurate our understanding of the world around us, the better we can both influence and adapt to changing circumstances, and the better we understand our role in the change impacting us. |
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Atlantic Ocean 3/4 inch per year. If we multiply 12 by 5280, we get inches per mile. 63,360 inches. Average width of Atlantic, about 2000 miles. 127 million inches. 3/4 inches per year, times 180 million years, 126 million inches. Pretty close. In addition, we have Pacific sea floor spreading. Both oceans cannot be increasing in size, of course, unless the continents were shrinking. But the Pacific sea floor spreads and is subducted beneath continental plate margins, explaining the rise of the Andes, Sierra Nevadas, and your favorite, the Cascades. Now, we know Earth's magnetic poles have switched places over time. The really interesting thing is that we can determine their orientation in sea floor rock, which we can date. The rock dates are progressively younger the closer they are to the mid Pacific ridges, ages again corresponding to distance moved from the center. |
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However it is also written .... "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:20-21) The earth shifts poles just about every 200,000 years, the magnetic polarity orientation in geology that happens when the rock is formed, typically from magma. locks that polarity in place. "Um yes Liquid Hot MAGMA! Mag ma " ~ Dr Evil |
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Clarification While reconstructing timelines from genealogies is certainly interesting, it is no better than the origin of writing itself. Earth's history stretches back eons before Egyptians first started making pictograph hieroglyphics and mesopotamians embedded cuneiform symbols in clay tablets. The Tower of Babel is a famous tale, explaining the origin of language and culture and disbursement of human population. But we understand oral traditions rarely survive more than a few centuries at best. With written documents we don't improve on that all that much, though our oldest surviving texts do stretch back an appreciable amount of time. We have written records from cultures older than the Dead Sea Scroll fragments. Tracing human migrations through language and genetics is a fascinating endeavor. But again, human history itself doesn't extend much beyond our oldest artifacts, up around a hundred thousand years. The oldest homo sapien fossils to date come from Morrocco, and are three hundred thousand years old. Carbon did not date these, but instead electron spin resonance and thermoluminescence. The earliest homo Sapien remains before those were only two hundred thousand years old. The Neandertal went extinct at least thirty thousand years ago. I think their most recent remains were found in Spain. |
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Magnetic Seafloor Striping Because this rock is igneous, it is datable via ratios of long lived radioisotopes embedded in the rock. These isotopes have varying half lifes, so when the three we use concur, the age is certain. Moreover, the sea floor recedes at a slow rate away from where it forms. We cannot be certain the recession rate remains constant, but the stripes run parallel the length of the sea floor, indicating fairly uniform and constant motion. And the dated ages correspond well with the current measured rate of motion. It is like the Seafloor is an enormous lock, striking out the eons between magnetic pole reversals, which as Apatzer notes are on a hundred thousand year scale. One of my favorite stories on this concerns Jaramillo Creek. A pole reversal was noted in the rock in this creek. Will continue in next post... |
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Jaramillo Creek Event So scientists went back near the mid ocean ridges, about a million years out, and took more sea floor samples, and found the Jaramillo Creek reversal. The record on land matches that in the ocean. Note, this record does not extend back across Earth's entire geologic history, but is only a few hundred million years old, as the sea floor is younger than continental crust. The oldest sea floor gets folded beneath continental plate margins, where it is pulled back into the mantle. |
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Mantle Subduction |
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Genuine "Article" www.patheos.com www.newgeology.us |
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Quote: "We never had a resurrection to study" and more testing should be done to ascertain whether a neutron-flux occurred." |
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The evidence is everywhere! Also, I'm reminded of Deuteronomy 30:11, 12 and Romans 10:6 – 8. |
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Quote: "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open".—Luke 8:17 |
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Topic Drift Then you brought up Genesis, and the Earth being shapeless and without form. I love the opening passage of Genesis, which indicates our universe indeed had a beginning. Earth sounds so much like matter, shapeless and without form implies (to me) a mist or vapor or hey--interstellar gas! Hydrogen comes from the Greek word "hydro" for water. Aptly named as there are two hydrogen atoms for every oxygen atom that comprises a water molecule. So referencing hydrogen gas as a "water" makes sense if your vocabulary lacks a word for dissociated primordial atoms like hydrogen. Now God separated the waters above from those below... What does THAT mean? Well, in order to have an up or a down you have to have... ...you have to have GRAVITY. So I imagine the division between the waters above and those below resulting from hydrogen collapsing into bubbles of star stuff. But even before this division occurred there was... ...LIGHT! Electromagnetic radiation streaming forth. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (or perhaps energy and matter). And the matter was void and without form, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And God said, "let there be electromagnetic radiation flow, and there was LIGHT!" And God divided the hydrogen gas that remained in vast interstellar clouds from that which coalesced into stars. |
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