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 I'm curious? A curious thing just happened to me. And Shirley this is not directed at you in any way. This is to be shared with Lord Shiva and in no way do I mean to offend. I was reading Shivas reply and thought of Machiavelli and the way he would get his point across Then I thought the phrase Thus protest too much. So I looked it up and it os actually a quote from a William Shakespeare play. I read it and wonder does this mean anything to you Shiva? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" is a line from the c. 1600 play Hamlet by William Shakespeare, where it is spoken by Queen Gertrude in response to the insincere overacting of a character in the play within a play created by Prince Hamlet to prove his uncle's guilt in the murder of his father, the King of ... The Universe works in mysterious ways and of course it could simply be the ramblings of my mind. However I would be interested in knowing if that verse holds particular interest to you? Not some random thing as in sure you are familiar with it. But something special or specific? I know this is an odd post. But I felt the need to ask. |
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Thank you for your post. I appreciate you and your response. I do not think they mean the same thing on close inspection. In my opinion a non believer, is one who does not believe for a plethora of reasons. Including not knowing or lack of knowledge. A Non believer is one who has reviewed some of the available information and has chosen to not belive for his or her own reasons. Our brothers and sisters who have exercised their gift of free will. In my opinion it takes far more faith to diss believe that to belive. A faith misplaced imho. Love is the only currency of God and the only legal tender in heaven. When a person reads this they assign thier own interpretation and meaning to it, thru The lenses of thier own perspective and understanding. We however are told not to lean on our own understanding. However there is a greater meaning to these things that transcends our capabilities of understanding. The one who chooses to explore and the one who asks for answers with humility and a heart for learning. That person will ne answered. Conversely the one who thinks they know already will not learn. |
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The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Methinks I actually never read the play. I've only read a few of Shakespeare's works. More is the pity. Your question is an interesting one. When I was seven years old I concluded that God could not exist. All of my Sunday School questions received the most unsatisfactory answers, until I was told to shut up and not think. At a church revival (this was a Presbyterian Church on the Indian reservation--the only one within walking distance of our home), about the time of my eighth birthday, I was "saved." I was convinced to try Jesus. I'm sure my experience mirrored that of many others, it was accompanied by a profound sense of relief, and as of a great burden lifted off my soul, and I was very happy. My religious conversion continued through my teenage years, into my early twenties. I attended all the regular weekly services of my local church (this after we moved away from the reservation), including Sunday Night prayer meetings, Wednesday night Bible studies, Tuesday morning men's breakfast, Saturday evening youth group, and so on. We were not called upon to engage in evangelism, but my goal was to study mathematics at Christian Heritage in El Cajon, California, home of the Institute for Creation Research which was founded by Henry Morris and Duane Gish, authors I'm sure Shirley has heard of. My father and grandfather felt my education would be too stilted and talked me out of it. They didn't have much trouble persuading me, all along my choices were either BSU or CHC, now known as "San Diego Christian College." In an online debate close to 30 years ago (in the days of BBS systems) someone asked, "what is the difference between a universe in which God exists, and one in which He doesn't?" While more verbose, I think that question may drive closer to the heart of the matter than yours. I don't have answers, I just have interesting questions. When I ask them, I get told to "shut up." I think the Jesuits would relish talking about these things, and perhaps Jewish rabbis. I haven't spent any time around them, however. |
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Unbeliever vs. Non Believer The non believer lacks certain knowledge of these things. He hasn't made any choice towards either belief or unbelief, but remains more "agnostic," in the modern sense of the word. The original sense of "agnostic" was that one could NOT know. The answers were unknowable. This was in contrast to the gnostics, who believed that one COULD know, or have certain knowledge of the otherwise unknowable. Some of these positions remind me of the arguments regarding the number of angels capable of pole dancing on a pin head. Never really had any stake in the outcome of some of these things. |
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But do you know why they say that? Because man has abused, miss uses the teachings for his own means. And to question is to threaten thier gain. Now that gain needn't be monetary. It can be importance, ego, as well as status and wealth. It is the question that drives us. Without the question we have no drive. Without drive we are driven by another. Thank you for your post. I don't have the answers either. And often come up with more questions. Fortunately most have been answered for me. To my satisfaction according to what I am able to comprehend |
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Thank You for Well Wishes :) Two people died from this SoCal fire. Sadly it seems that one of them may have been someone I knew. Though I didn't know them all that well, it's still an unexpected and sad occurrence, however the identities of the victims aren't known yet, so I hope that they're okay and that what I've heard are false rumors. I guess I'll find out soon enough. |
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My testimony is on the Traveller's Club, in the profile. |
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joveyboy1 I am glad that things are getting a little better where you are. I hope that it wasn't anyone you knew. |
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ISAIAH 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him like a tender plant, and like a root out of a dry ground; he hath no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." NKJV. I am placing this on this thread, which might at first glance, appear to be the wrong thread to post it, but we deviated from the original subject to discussing the Shroud of Turin and the Facecloth. Certainly, the Image on the Shroud shows a man who is neither handsome nor good looking. The women of that day certainly wouldn't be scrambling to make His acquaintance, but there certainly were women who were seeking The Lord among His good friends. |
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Axial Tilt Always loved that line! |
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mysteriousuniverse.org |
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But it is True www.shroud.com Ok, who put coins on the eyes of Jesus? To keep them close? Who would care--the corpse was wrapped in a shroud. The ROMANS placed coins in the MOUTH, so the dead could pay the River Styx boatman to ferry them across. Then the Romans burned the corpse. The coins may have been recovered from the ashes, or not. First century Jews had no eye coin custom--so who was doing this? Did Romans sneak into the tomb of Jesus, unshroud his corpse, and place coins over his dead eyes? Why do I find this tale incredible--meaning "not credible?" Secondly, suppose the "leptons" truly are widow mites struck in 29 AD. What of it, it terms of dating? Those coins would still have existed in 1260 AD, which is the radiocarbon age of the cloth. All the coins would indicate--if the images were anything more than wishful thinking in the first place--is that the shroud was probably NOT older than 29 AD (the mint age of the coins). |
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Murder Rate Same is true for child sex crimes. They get 100 times the attention now, even though they are about ten percent as frequent. |
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THE WRITER'S INKHORN Ezekiel, Chapter 9, NKJV. He (The Lord) cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. And behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man with a slaughter weapon in his hand, and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side; and they went in, and stood beside the bronze altar. And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, upon which he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer's inkhorn by his side. And the Lord said unto him, go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that are done in the midst of it. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go after him through the city, and smite, let not your eye spare, neither have pity. Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women, but come not near any man upon whom is the mark, and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began with the ancient men who were before the house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain, go forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God. Wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem? Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness; for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not. And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head. And behold, the man clothed with linen, who had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me. |
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A GOOD POST FOR THIS THREAD It appears that they only were led to this teenager because he was stupid enough to brag about it. The police received a tip from someone who overheard him and brought the suspect in for questioning. He denied the crime vehemently, but the police were finally, after a few hours, to get him to admit it. HOW WICKED CAN THIS SOCIETY BECOME BEFORE JESUS COMES BACK FOR HIS PEOPLE, I WONDER? |
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Something Wicked This Way Comes August 9, 1969. The Manson family murder Sharon Tate and four other people at a suburban home. Susan Atkins writes "pig" in Sharon Tate's blood on the floor next to her body. The following night they murder Leno and Rosemary LaBianca in their home, writing "Healter Skelter" on the refrigerator in their victim's blood. We are Americans, so we take no reasonable action with regards to crimes like these--not that there is all that much that can be done anyway. More recently, "pig vomit" (I prefer not to use the man's real name) took a bunch of semiautomatic rifles into a hotel room and opened fire on a country music festival, killing 50 people. We're fine with that. MORE than fine. In the wake of this atrocity our president RELAXED laws interfering with the rights of the criminally insane to acquire military style weapons of this nature--MORE carnage, please! IHS went to visit the survivors of the Southerland Church massacre. He is in complete agreement that we are not doing nearly enough to encourage proliferation of military style hardware capable of recreating such carnage on ever larger scales. It is our sacred, God-given right to amass the means to slaughter fellow citizens indiscriminately. Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition! Despite these recent high profile mass murders, things really are better now than in previous centuries. The Indian pogroms mentioned above. We slaughtered men, women, and children with gay abandon, gunning them down or running them through with swords when we ran out of ammunition. Custer was one of those rare exceptions who came up on the short end of the stick. But we waged reprisals for that event, engaging in wholesale slaughter. Come to think of it, even in more recent times we are not always quite so restrained. 15 citizens of Saudi Arabia, along with a Jordanian, one Egyptian, one guy from the UAE and one from Lebanon (19 altogether) hijacked four commercial aircraft and directed them into three buildings, killing close to 3000 Americans. We responded by invading Afghanistan. It was not such an unreasonable target, given it had been used as a staging crowd for the launch of their strike. But then we determined there was no decent targets in that "S*hole" nation, and so we murdered six hundred thousand (600,000) Iraqi civilians. Attack us, we'll kill 200 of you--and if we can't find you we'll just kill someone who looks like you. Can't tell one "diaper head" from another, a wonderful old lady once explained to me. "Let Allah sort them out." The only thing that quelled the soaring blood lust was the cost. We're into that conflict to the tune of two trillion already. There are plenty of things for our nation to feel intense shame about--including our gross mistreatment of border children, many of whom we permitted (virtually encouraged) to be sexually molested. That is institutionalized wickedness, and it sprang from the mind of Steve Bannon and the lips of Jeff Sessions, under the auspices of... Individual One. The guy who wrote hush money checks to reimburse his fixer for the porn star payments. What a righteous man of God! How blessed is our nation to have such a moral leader! |
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"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come...." |
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Excuses? Explanations, maybe. Clarifications. Additional information. Never excuses. |
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