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lord_shiva
06-Feb-18, 19:04

QM
The field is divided in twain, quantum electrodynamics (QED) and quantum chromodynamics (QCD).

lord_shiva
06-Feb-18, 19:13

Substance
<<Heard there's more substance [in quantum mechanics] than what we have with ordinary atomic science.>>

That is surprisingly true. The theories of quantum mechanics are extremely robust, and have yielded incredible insights--better than our standard nuclear theories and theories of chemistry, which I personally find quite surprising.

Quantum Mechanics has been just about the most successful theory in science that we have. While comparing theories across disciplines is certainly problematic, I'd suggest QM probably ranks first, Darwin's theory of evolution second, and I'd put general and special relativity third.

QCD, incidentally, remains significantly incomplete. QED hinges on special relativity, and vice versa. So these two theories mutually support one another, as all the most beautiful theories do. Biological evolution, for example, is supported by findings from geology, paleontology, biology, microbiology, genetics, embryology, and even nuclear physics.
inhis_service
07-Feb-18, 04:18

<< I'd suggest QM probably ranks first, Darwin's theory of evolution second, and I'd put general and special relativity third. >>

<< While comparing theories across disciplines is certainly problematic, >>

Putting Darwin's theory of evolution on this list leads me to challenge your thinking, sir. Not long ago I seen a book which refutes this theory as part of Darwin's original premise.

Besides, aren't there more scientists coming out against the evolutionary theory?

apatzer
07-Feb-18, 06:30

Question. If a world such as earth that already had a diverse eco system/bio sphear. That was temming with life. If you had the scientific ability (vast knowlege of genetics) to take biological elements from that system and create a new species. Then have that species Quarantined for a little while (the garden of Eden ) once you decided to release that species into the greater system.

Fast forward millions of years.....

How could that species reberse engineer its roots to determine exactly where that species came from? Where could you trace it back to. Especially when every living thing on this planet shares DNA that is over 90% similar

Has the missing link been found yet? Or are we trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 06:34

Darwin's theory is correct for the most part. It appears to be correct for humans because we are part of that system. Some scientists that find flaws in our biology developing on earth. Have put forth some really outlandish theories lile we got our start on mars. They are supposing the origin. But the fact remains things are not as they appear to be or should be when it comes to our biology relative to the earth.
inhis_service
07-Feb-18, 06:45

<< Has the missing link been found yet? Or are we trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole
. Have put forth some really outlandish theories lile we got our start on mars. >>

The reason for my desenting vote against evolution is that many try to use the theory as a premise for eliminating God from the creation of life. And ALL THAT entails.
5imon
07-Feb-18, 07:10

<The reason for my desenting vote against evolution is that many try to use the theory as a premise for eliminating God from the creation of life. And ALL THAT entails.>

Evolution doesn't eliminate God any more than the big bang theory does. How the first life form started is not explained by evolution. It is simply unknown, so cannot rule out a divine being.

However, evolution does rule out young earth creationism, as the timescales are incompatible.
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 07:11

My use of the word quarantine is incorrect. A controlled environment is more accurate
inhis_service
07-Feb-18, 07:23

5imon. . .
<< However, evolution does rule out young earth creationism, as the timescales are incompatible.>>

It's for this reason right here why I and not enough other Christians should not try to use Scriptures to "explain" origins!

Good observation. Thank you.
inhis_service
07-Feb-18, 07:37

Clarification. . .
The Bible well describes God creating the earth, the moon and the stars besides all biological life. The Christians get bogged down in trying to explain origins of Creation and have it run parallel to the evolutionary theory.

I submit that God doesn't want us getting all turned inside out over such peripheral issues. Let us instead concentrate on developing our understanding of God himself, and on our relationships with one another.
lord_shiva
07-Feb-18, 08:07

<<aren't there more scientists coming out against the evolutionary theory?>>

I would say this is inaccurate, that actually it is the other way around. Some of the tiny handful who argued in favor of "irreducible complexity" are abandoning that position, and agreeing evolution can easily account for structures such as the flagellum's tail.

The reason Darwin even realized evolution was correct in the first place was because he observed it occurring, and cataloged broad diversification in species, as well as change through geologic time such as in lemur fossils. No giant lemurs exist today, but fossils reveal they once did.

And Darwin based his conclusion on the tree of life partially constructed by Linneaus. Linnaeus noted species fit into an evolutionary pattern, while rejecting the notion itself. Darwin extended the tree, realizing all life bundled into it. He had most of the main branches correctly positioned.

He was wrong about whales, thinking they may have evolved from bears. They instead evolved from a terrestrial carnivore known as a mesonychid.

Darwin thought we might some day find fossils of whales with legs, and we have. Why would God create legged cetaceans?

Oh mysterious are the ways of God. He gives evolutionists all the evidence they could ever ask for, and utterly abandons creationists.

lord_shiva
07-Feb-18, 08:11

Knowledge of God
Do we understand God better by looking at stained glass windows and reading literature and philosophies penned by men with political agendas, or men suffering hallucinations induced by ergot poisoning such as the Old Testament prophets, or is our knowledge of God more accurately arrived at through careful observation of nature--God's creation untainted by human manipulation?
inhis_service
07-Feb-18, 09:19

Souls. . .
which shake their fist at God because he can only be discerned by faith and through humbleness of spirit are to be most pitied.
inhis_service
07-Feb-18, 09:21

And those. .
cultivate a relationship with God, are to be most envied!
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 09:25

Studying the code will not allow you to know the coder, but only what you think the coder is capable of. We have not been left as orphans.

Question many tribes of human use things like payotte to do What? So even if your ergot theory had merit Are you saying God is incapable of talking to someone? Or just won't?

Yes man has twisted the word. But to throw the baby out with the bathwater due to suppositions and missrepresentatiins or missunderstandings is foolish.

It says time and again that God has hidden himself from the learned. How much of our Universe is hidden from us? Just about 96% or more.

It is not a matter if who God will talk to. But who will listen.

You will not find God in stained glass no more so that you could find him in quantum foam
inhis_service
07-Feb-18, 09:38

Worship. . .
Watched a most insightful DVD last evening with my bride, about the Christian music group, Hillsong. Somewhere in the video one of the musicians made a succinct observation. That the quickest means of experiencing the presence of God is to simply worship him.

How true!
dmaestro
07-Feb-18, 15:37

I see no incompatibility between God and evolution. Humans have their purpose, flowers have theirs; evolution is spirit guided and how the Word expresses all that. God is so great that anything possible can exist and live somewhere in his multiverse and the spirit realms that’s all. Its a mistake I suggest to think this is our home—we are Spirit and God is Spirit and our proper interaction is in Spirit. Deep within no human really feels certain or comfortable this is our permanent home; it’s much like a garden we must attend to for our allotted task for an allotted time.
lord_shiva
07-Feb-18, 17:14

To Whom Does God Talk?
Do we trust them?

Do we trust ourselves? If I heard the voice of God commanding me to bump off commuters on the New York Subway, Son of Sam style, I hope I'd check myself into a mental hospital.

If I heard God command me to sacrifice my eldest daughter on a mountain top, I'd absolutely question my own sanity. Plus, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't go through with it. She is a really wonderful person, and I'm expecting my first grandson here in a few more months.
the-jim
07-Feb-18, 17:16

I am leaving this club!
You have allowed the
Anti Christ Here!
Jimmy
lord_shiva
07-Feb-18, 17:18

Doubtless
Jim was referring to himself in the third person.
shirlmygirl
07-Feb-18, 17:19

Calm down, Jimmy. Do not leave the Club. Do not react fast and emotionally. Think about it first.
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 17:27

LS
Congrats on your first grandson.

Youll know when it is your highest quality thought.
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 17:28

Jimmy has left the building
shirlmygirl
07-Feb-18, 17:30

LORD_SHIVA
Try not to be insulting.

I have never heard the Lord speak to me audibly. The Bible says the Lord speaks, "in a small, still voice". Quoting from memory, (I will look up the scripture if you wish,) the Bible says, "you will hear a small, still voice in your ear saying, this is the way, walk ye in it". The Lord would never tell a person to do something that is against scripture. I do feel impressed to do or say something, and sometimes I want to resist it, as I did yesterday on the thread because of the tone of some of the posts, but if I do feel impressed to do or say something, I will, even if it is delayed while I struggle with it as to whether I should or should not.  
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 17:43

You feel into his trap Shirley. Now he will quote for you how God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 17:45

BTW thank you for that post. And the small still voice.
shirlmygirl
07-Feb-18, 17:54

God did tell Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. It was a test, and then, right at the time when Abraham lifted up the knife to plunge it into his son, God stopped him, and provided the alternate sacrifice. But God also provided the 10 Commandments to show us how we should live. Thou shalt not kill (murder).
shirlmygirl
07-Feb-18, 17:57

By the way, the still, small voice scripture is Isaiah 30:21, one of the verses I memorized (or almost) many years ago.
apatzer
07-Feb-18, 18:03

Still small voice
I use to struggle more than I do now. But I have learned to cast my ego aside.

True story...

I was once playing in a 9 ball tournament. And was getting a drink at the bar. I did not know the bar maid at all. She was getting me my drink when I hear " tell her suicide is not the answer and it won't solve her problems but make them much worse " I said I'm not telling her that, I don't even know her. So I got my drink and walked away. Well it kept up. Until I said ok ... So I walked into get another drink. Then told her... She looked at me like I had three eyes. I was embraced. To say the least. It was very awkward...

Well the tournament ended and the place was ready to close (it was late) lile 2 am.

I went out into the parking lot and was ready to get in my car. That bar maid ran out side. And said Thank You!

From that moment on I decided not to ignore that still small voice no matter how embracing or crazy it may seem to me. There is always things we can't see or understand.

I told her not to thank me I am a nobody and that I was simply told to tell her that.
lord_shiva
07-Feb-18, 18:06

Jim Left
Before I posted that comment about him speaking of himself. HE posted and was gone.

And Apatzer... I would have assumed Shirley knew the famous story of Abraham and Isaac and Ishmael or Esau or whoever that was.

Maybe God only instructed people to kill their offspring back in the good old days, and doesn't do that any more. But really, the point was how can you tell one voice in your head from another? Also, when you're thinking to yourself, what language do you use? If God spoke to you in tongues, would you understand it?

What if God spoke, but had a super thick Russian accent, or just spoke in straight Russian. You would know it wasn't your voice, because you don't speak Russian. Or would God only speak in Hebrew? Ancient Hebrew? Does God use words outside your vocabulary?

Or does He know his audience?

I have a real hard time understanding one friend of mine. He speaks clearly enough, but I just cannot make out the words he says, especially if there is a lot of background noise. It is really strange. It is pretty much just the one guy. So if God speaks with a lisp, or a stutter, or a British accent, how do you rationalize that?

Just thinking out loud here. What if God spoke in a sultry female voice? Dulcet tones.

Some people may say I'm just mocking belief, but I'm just asking questions, trying my best to understand the world around me. I got into a lot of trouble in Sunday School, as you can probably imagine.

Maybe God is speaking to us all the time, but like a radio someone has nudged off channel all we hear is static. If we tune in, God comes out clearly. How do you tune in to God?
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