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classica
28-Apr-20, 22:04

This a list of the earnings of Drug company CEO's
docs.google.com
Now that is motivation to keep the gravy train rolling.

Things like hydroxychloroquine and vitamin C are just not profitable.
apatzer
29-Apr-20, 03:30

earning potential
to say these substances are not profitable is an outright lie at worst, and a gross mischaracterization at best.


According to Good RX, the lowest price for the most common version of hydroxychloroquine is around $20.41, which is 88 percent off the average retail price of $177.73 for 60 of the 200 milligram tablets. The lowest price for the most common version of Plaquenil is around $626.87, which is 11 percent off the average retail price of $710.89 for 60 of the 200 milligram tablets.

www.medgadget.com

Vitamin c is part of a multi billon dollar industry

it is about supply and demand!

heck the humble postage stamp at 26c a pop earned billions at one time, until it was no longer in demand.
classica
29-Apr-20, 03:43

Yes, but those therapies are only for those infected.

If there is no effective cure - the case they are pushing hard -
then we must vaccinate everyone. Whatever the cost of a
vaccination is - multiply that by 350 million to 7 billion and
we see the scale of their planned profits. Best of all, the
vaccine makers - designers and manufacturers - are 100%
immune from any liability caused by vaccine injuries.
It's the perfect business model. No wonder those Pharma
execs are taking home tens of millions every year and why
they spend more on advertising and lobbying than research.
urbanascott
29-Apr-20, 10:30

Why the pharmaceutical rant?
Not sure why there is now a rant about pharmaceutical companies. You keep going way off topic?
pawntificator
29-Apr-20, 12:36

It's relevant in so far as the media had tried shifting the narrative from shelter in place orders to flatten the curve to stop the second wave to nobody gets out of their house until we have a vaccine. There is also a discussion about drug treatments going on with HCQ and Remsivir or whatever the owners drug is called. Not too fatr off topic
pawntificator
29-Apr-20, 12:39

The news today is flooded with this one

media.thedonald.win

Of course, that's the very expensive patented drug being pushed by pharma
urbanascott
29-Apr-20, 14:36

Remdesivir!
Remdesivir as a potential treatment for the virus, which has infected more than 3.1 million people worldwide, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. A number of studies are testing the drug to see if it’s effective in stopping the coronavirus from replicating, but it is not yet a proven treatment.

Fauci said earlier Wednesday that the median time of recovery for patients taking the drug was 11 days, compared with 15 days in the placebo group. He said the mortality benefit of Rermdesivir “has not yet reached statistical significance.”

The results suggested a survival benefit, with a mortality rate of 8% for the group receiving Remdesivir versus 11.6% for the placebo group, according to a statement from the National Institutes of Health released Wednesday.

“This will be the standard of care,” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, added. “When you know a drug works, you have to let people in the placebo group know so they can take it.”

“What it has proven is a drug can block this virus,” he said.
pawntificator
29-Apr-20, 14:46

media.thedonald.win
lord_shiva
29-Apr-20, 15:09

TheDonald.Win?
Is that a legitimate news source? Sounds like a joke site to me.

P.S. Hydroxychloroquine has had no positive studies. The FIRST study of 20 subjects, two died and one was sent to the ICU--these three were stricken from the study results.

The largest study, the VA study, found no benefit. One smaller study found lower ventilator use, but a higher mortality rate. I'm not sure any of the deviations from the control group were large enough to merit any conclusion--outside a lack of any obvious benefit.

Of course, the president merely suggesting something means people will divert a lot of time and attention to it--regardless how inane or stupid it might be. We are now going to have at least a handful of scientists trying to figure out how to get bigly lights into the lungs.
pawntificator
29-Apr-20, 15:11

On the other hand

docs.google.com
lord_shiva
29-Apr-20, 15:13

Key
The key accomplishment of the President in this time of crisis was to reduce funding for corona virus research.

"Something you may have picked up on over the last interminable three and a half years is that Donald Trump is not a smart man, despite robust claims on his part to the contrary. For example, this whole coronavirus thing. While another president might have taken it seriously, or at the very least read the briefings warning him to take it seriously, Trump decided instead to listen to his gut, which told him the virus would “miraculously” go away by April. Or take World Health Organization funding; although many have argued that the agency’s initial response to COVID-19 could have gone better, no one besides Trump thought, Hey, maybe the U.S. should vindictively cut the group’s funding in the middle of a pandemic. (In fact, the American Medical Association described it as “a dangerous step in the wrong direction that will not make defeating COVID-19 easier.”)"

www.vanityfair.com

"I am not a smart man, Jenny."
classica
29-Apr-20, 17:58

"P.S. Hydroxychloroquine has had no positive studies. The FIRST study of 20 subjects, two died and one was sent to the ICU--these three were stricken from the study results." (Lord Shiva)

Read the link. Facts matter!
docs.google.com (source: pawntifex, two posts up)

"Historical controls are used in many previous studies in medicine. In this respect, the safety of Hydroxychloroquine is well documented. When the safe use of this drug is projected against its apparent effect of decreasing the progression of early cases to ventilator use, it is difficult to understand the reluctance of the authorities in charge of U.S. pandemic management to recommend its use in early COVID-19 cases. The effects of the chloroquines were first outlined 15 years ago by the CDC’s own Special Pathogens Unit." (from the document)

As it is glaringly obvious, Lord Shiva's information is misleading and not based
on the extensive research available online.

classica
01-May-20, 15:03

<Also consider the suicide and murder rate increasing the longer
people stay locked up. -classica>>

Suicides, maybe. Murder? No. That rate, as with most crime rates, has fallen.

Wrong again.
Murders up: gothamist.com
Domestic violence up: thehill.com
Suicides up: www.5newsonline.com

And we may be only half way through this lockdown.
classica
01-May-20, 15:09

Worldwide Deaths from January 1st through Mar 25th, 2020

Coronavirus, 21,000 deaths and counting
Seasonal flu, 113,000
Malaria, 228,000 deaths
Suicide, 249,000
Traffic fatalities, 313,000+
HIV AIDS, 391,000 deaths
Alcohol-related deaths, 581,000
Smoking-related deaths, 1,162,000
Cancer, 1,909,000
Starvation, 2,882,000
Abortion deaths 9,900,000

www.independentsentinel.com
mikemate
01-May-20, 15:29

Coronavirus, 273, 943 deaths and counting. That's a lot of deaths since Mar 25th, 2020.
sad_but_true
01-May-20, 18:34

Statistics in Australia as of Today
Confirmed 6,767
Recovered 5,745
Deaths 93

Restrictions have just been lifted for the first time. We can now be in groups of 10 up from 2. social distancing is still in effect 1.5 metres. Still have limits to numbers in our Grocery shops but no lines ups. Pasta is back on the shelves and so is Toilet Paper so that a plus (smh)

Schools are back on .. 60% attendance back at Primary School, kids Up to Year 6. near 80% back to High School, Year 7 to Year 12.

Curve has been flattened the past 2 weeks
classica
01-May-20, 22:12

Mikemate: I am curious about your source of statistics.
I am looking at Worldometers.info. I am not disputing
yours, but I always like new sources of info.

From the same site:
... viable SARS-CoV-2 was measured for this length of time:

Plastic: up to 2-3 days
Stainless Steel: up to 2-3 days
Cardboard: up to 1 day
Copper: up to 4 hours

I was interested to read that micro droplets float to the floor,
and that in areas of possible infection, like pharmacies, it is
possible to get the virus on the shoes and track it home.
I never thought of that.
urbanascott
01-May-20, 22:18

The stats MikeMate posted...
have been shown on TV all night on CNN, MSNBC and FoxNews. Their source is Johns Hopkin's School of Public Health, which has served as the clearinghouse for this data for the world since the virus started in December.

classica
01-May-20, 22:42

With a little searching I found it (John Hopkins Dashboard).
That one says 238,775 total deaths worldwide as of 5/2/2020.
No big deal in the differences for me personally, I just like to
have as many sources of information as possible. I might
be considered an information-hound. 📊🧾😃
apatzer
01-May-20, 22:53

You are comparing apples to orange's with those death stats. And what is the purpose of it?

When suicide has the potential of infecting 81% of the US population, let me know.

And when the flu hits we will still be dealing with Covid 19. BTW no flu for the exception of perhaps avian or swine flu infects has the potential to infect over 50% of the population.
lord_shiva
01-May-20, 23:11

Classica
The Covid-19 US CFR (case fatality rate) is running quite close to 6%. No reason it should not exceed that a little bit if we ramp up the infection rate and overrun our ability to ventilate people. If your life depends on a ventilator you cannot have--a coffin awaits.

So let's say Covid infects 60% of the US population. Germany thinks their infection rate could go as high as 70%. We are not better than the Germans. We are stupider than they are, which is why almost all American rocket scientists and nuclear physicists were Germans.

So do this. Calculate 60% of 350 million (current population of the United States) and then 6% of that (Covid-19 CFR). What do you get?
lord_shiva
01-May-20, 23:20

LOL
Worldwide Deaths from January 1st through Mar 25th, 2020

Coronavirus, 21,000 deaths and counting
Seasonal flu, 113,000
Malaria, 228,000 deaths
Suicide, 249,000
Traffic fatalities, 313,000+
HIV AIDS, 391,000 deaths
Alcohol-related deaths, 581,000
Smoking-related deaths, 1,162,000
Cancer, 1,909,000
Starvation, 2,882,000
Abortion deaths 9,900,000

March 25th was back when Covid-19 was just getting started. Seasonal flu is, of course, over an entire year--not simply the first MONTH when infections have only gotten a TOE HOLD.

Same with malaria, suicide, traffic, and so on.

Maternal death from abortion? FAR lower than maternal death from child birth. Child birth is kind of dangerous. Abortion is practically a picnic in the park. Pack a sack lunch. Celebrate with a bottle of champagne with your friends afterwards.

Yes, cancer is a killer. We're working on that too. Last I heard (as Apatzer already noted) cancer wasn't contagious. Suicide might be--and we have suicide hotlines for that. Suicide prevention centers. We try to reduce that too--but social distancing isn't going to reduce the suicide rate the same way it WILL the Covid-19 infection rate.

So is there a point? I mean--DEATH BY OLD AGE: 42 MILLION! I guess since we haven't stopped that we should encourage MORE death from Covid. At least people won't be dying from old age, right?

If I come across as slightly snarky it is because my cousin suggested the death rate on the coast was a lot higher than it is where we live--and we should therefore race to catch up.

lord_shiva
01-May-20, 23:30

March 25th
There were 68,000 infections in the US.
427,000 by April 8th.

On that day I plotted exponential curves showing a US infection of 1.3 million by May 1st (today). Instead we were just over a million, so we slowed the growth rate a little bit. Yay for us!

Without taking measures my chart had 2 million by May 10th, ten million by June 12th, 50 million by July 15th, and pretty close to 300 million by August 20th.

I'll tell you what: 6% of 300 million is 18 million dead Americans. "Good riddance," Putin might say. "Success!" ImPOTUS would say. "I give myself an A+. Is there a higher grade?"
classica
02-May-20, 00:03

"Yes, cancer is a killer. We're working on that too. Last I heard (as Apatzer already noted) cancer wasn't contagious. Suicide might be--and we have suicide hotlines for that. Suicide prevention centers. We try to reduce that too"

Why do you say "we", are you working on cancer patients during the day,
and volunteering on the suicide hotlines at night???
classica
03-May-20, 22:34

Sometimes one has to ponder the question about why is
this COV lockdown happening. Is it just random or is it
part of some agenda?

Here is a popular theory:

It would seem that there has to be some reason why the
media and the politicians despise Trump so much. In my opinion,
we have had some pretty unpopular presidents before, but never
have they been so viciously attacked from all sides.

Consider that every penny of US money is owned by a private
group of banks called The Federal Reserve.
"SIMPLY PUT: DEBT FREE Monetary System Vs. European DEBT BASED Monetary System:
The easiest way to explain the Federal Reserve System is to compare it to a Credit Card Company Bank. Under a Debt Free System, you make a $1000 dollars, you keep a $1000 dollars. Under a European Debt Based System, you make a $1000 dollars, you have to give it to the Credit Card Bank (Private Federal Reserve), who LOANS it back to you with INTEREST.
So now you OWE the BANK $1000 plus Interest, on your own money! It’s the SCAM OF HUMANITY !!! Imagine having to give all your money to a Private Bank, and then they turn around and Loan you, your own money with Interest. That’s EXACTLY what the US Government does. You Can’t Borrow Your Way Out Of DEBT! No one Can! The WHOLE SYSTEM is an Insidious DEBT TRAP !!!" truedemocracyparty.net

JFK issued Executive Order 11110 on June 4, 1963 (www.john-f-kennedy.net, rense.com) and on November 22, 1963, he was assassinated. There is strong indications
that this Order would bring an end to The Federal Reserve system, although
arguments can be presented that the EO was for other purposes. I contend
that the former is true and the latter is disinformation to obfuscate the truth.
Keep in mind, the annual interest payments of entire nations debt, going to
privately owned entities, are massive. The motives seem obvious.

And now we have President Trump, who seemed to come out of nowhere.
Hanging in the Oval Office, he has put a portrait of Andrew Jackson.
"Jackson criticized the second Bank of the United States in his annual addresses to Congress in 1829, 1830, 1832, and 1833. He declared that the institution failed to establish a uniform and sound currency, questioned whether it was a safe depository for public funds, asserted that it was unconstitutional, and urged Congress not to renew its charter. In his private correspondence, he referred to the second Bank of the United States as a hydra of corruption, demoralizing to our citizenry, and dangerous to American liberties. A series of congressional studies disputed the accuracy of most of Jackson’s claims, and Congress passed a bill to recharter the Bank, which Jackson vetoed and Congress failed to override. Jackson’s critiques of the second Bank of the United States, both sound and unsound, resonated in American memory and played a role in the debate over the formation of the Federal Reserve three-quarters of a century later." www.federalreservehistory.org

Indeed it seems steps are underway towards an end to this system of debt
slavery. Keep in mind, everyone's income tax goes to the pay the interest on
the national debt owed to the privately owned Federal Reserve. Income tax
started shortly after The Federal Reserve was created.
"...there have been some promising developments that could be harnessed for the benefit of the people. The Fed has evidently abandoned its vaunted “independence” and is now working in partnership with the Treasury. In some sense, it has been nationalized. A true partnership, however, would make the printing press available for more than just buying toxic corporate assets. A central bank that was run as a public utility could fund programs designed to kickstart the economy, stimulate productivity and generally serve the public..."

Waiting in the wings is NESARA, The National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act.
gesarahelp.org

The US has been paying these interest payments mostly to the privately owned Fed:
(Where your income taxes go.)
2019.....$574,587,783,463.63
2018 ....$523,017,301,446.12
2017 ....$458,542,287,311.80
2016 ....$432,649,652,901.12
2015 ...$402,435,356,075.49
2014 ....$430,812,121,372.05
2013 ....$415,688,781,248.40
2012 ....$359,796,008,919.49
2011 ....$454,393,280,417.03
2010 ....$413,954,825,362.17
2009 ....$383,071,060,815.42
2008 ....$451,154,049,950.63
2007 ....$429,977,998,108.20
2006 ....$405,872,109,315.83
2005 ....$352,350,252,507.90
2004 ....$321,566,323,971.29
2003 ....$318,148,529,151.51
2002 ....$332,536,958,599.42
2001 ....$359,507,635,242.41
2000 ....$361,997,734,302.36
1999 ....$353,511,471,722.87
1998 ....$363,823,722,920.26
1997 ....$355,795,834,214.66
1996 ....$343,955,076,695.15
1995 ....$332,413,555,030.62
1994 ....$296,277,764,246.26
1993 ....$292,502,219,484.25
1992 ....$292,361,073,070.74
1991 ....$286,021,921,181.04
1990 ....$264,852,544,615.90
1989 ....$240,863,231,535.71
1988 ....$214,145,028,847.73
www.treasurydirect.gov

And so it seems there is a jaw-dropping amount of financial motivation
to stop this infidel, Donald Trump, from ending this mammoth gravy
train.

They began even before his inauguration in this effort. We know about
the media, Mueller and the impeachment. Could it be that COV-19 fits
into this, too? With the stakes so sky-high, it makes one wonder.
classica
03-May-20, 23:04

reference missing
".... there have been some promising developments..." www.counterpunch.org

sad_but_true
03-May-20, 23:14

I agree. The New World Order is behind this. They need the economy to collapse so they can get their 1 World Governing body, their 1 global Currency. All part of the plan Stan. Has been for a long period of time. Rothschild, Rockefella, Soros .. these families have owned the world for hundreds of years
pawntificator
03-May-20, 23:16

Just hop off the bus, Gus
classica
03-May-20, 23:23

The mainstream media is owned by just 6 corporations.
theeconomiccollapseblog.com

Distrust in the media edges upward.
news.gallup.com

There seems to be plenty of money available to control mass media.
sad_but_true
03-May-20, 23:24

Slip out the back Jack
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