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As intelligent and worldly-wise as L_S is he is well aware that such posts which you are referring to will grieve and wound those who hold their faith with reverence. Indeed, shirleymygirl, as long as you have putting up with his blasphemous antics you would know this. I suspect, however, perhaps it is only a matter of your being gracious and patient. He needs that desperately! I've run out of patience with him because of his presumption, however. |
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Subtle Cues You can do this trick with children fairly easily, but adults have learned to be hide their feelings much better--some of the time. My dad tells the story of when I was mad about something, and was getting ready to throw a temper tantrum. He shifted his weight to one foot, reached out with his leg and pinned my foot to the floor with his other foot, so I couldn't move. My temper tantrum vanished just like that. Stymied. He still laughs about it--the perfect timing of it all. I, of course, don't recall the incident--way before my environmental awareness stage. We were taught that suicide was a permanent solution to a temporary problem. True enough, with the exception of terminal patients. That probably doesn't really help, but I cannot imagine any problem (outside unrelenting pain with no prospect for recovery) whose solution is self termination. Well, there might be some highly contrived situations, akin to "Sophie's Choice." These can be discounted outside war. |
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Shirley and LS La you put forth some very good questions I could tell you were just thinking a loud. Perhapse it is all the time but the quality of the reciver. According to your belief and faith. it is done unto you. If you belive without doubting you will hear. Yes it is a tricky situation. Based on others that say God said this or that and then do horable things. I guess it is a personal experience that should not be shared unless one is directed to share it. In fact I know that is true. There are many examples both good and bad. However I can attest to the fact that small still voice had literally saved my life on more than one occasion. So in essance it is a personal experience that is taylor made and unique to you. And I will add that I had some questions as the voice sounds just like my thoughts. It is not louder or different. But it can get loud. And I have asked. How do so know this is not just my imagination or brain. I was told If the outcome is good or brings good what difference does it make... Well that frustrated me lol and I had to be told that time and time again. But again I should not be sharing that as it is for me. Also it is a direct result of your relationship and how you relate. I want to ask you a question via pm.... |
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I don't know if it saved my life this time but it sure did keep me out of trouble!! I was in Baltimore city leaving Rams Head Live. I went to see a friends band perform and I was alone. I had to park several blocks away. I hate the city and hardly ever go there and get lost easily lol. After the concert ended. I talked to my friend for a good while and then left to go back to my car. I'm alone and walking late at night down an in familiar street. I'm looking ahead and I see around 10 young African Americans walking up the sidewalk in my direction. Now I am just describing the situation and at first I was not alarmed at all. But I noticed the lead guy who was looking at me, turn around and say something to the others. They were about 30 feet away give or take.... Then they all looked at me and started walking with the Yo what's up walk. Arms splayed out back and forth... Well then I got that rush of adrenaline and sized up the situation. I was thinking this ain't good! I might be able to take three of them but if they have any type of weapon I'm done. As I was completely unarmed. When just then right in the middle of my thoughts (it literally interrupted me) I heard. Talk into the collar of your shirt (nonchalantly) straighten up and walk faster right at them. I did not hesitate and did just as I was told. (This all happened very fast) and the thought came all at once in a fully formed idea (not sequnsally) the lead guy saw me talk into my collar and turned around and said something again. Then they all crossed the street before they got nothing 10 feet of me and would not even look at me. I'm not that smart that quickly and since it interrupted what I was already thinking at the time. I found it to be amazing. At the very least it saved me a good asswhoopen. If you don't know what the Yo man what's up walk is... It ain't good. |
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dmaestro. . . (does it again) This statement is loaded with diometrical and impossible connotations! In these times, especially in light of the world views which have purposely come to attack and discredit the Biblical world view, how can you begin to make such an assertion? Do you understand what “incompatibility” means? It means - “the condition of two things being so different in nature as to be incapable of coexisting.” Evolution has been used as a vehicle in the world's classrooms to eliminate and replace the notion of God and the veracity of the Genesis creation account. Not only has evolution replaced the Christian world view, but in turn this thinking has given rise to Secular Humanism being the standard philosophical world view to replace it. This domino effect in turn has given the world Socialism and Communism. You post this loaded observation - “I see no incompatibility between God and evolution.”, and follow it with innoculous nonsense about flowers and Humans having a purpose, and some chaotic meaningless “ evolution is spirit guided and how the Word expresses all that” which you do not even try to explain. The last part is understandable if you are a Christian, and know that our early life is temporary, but what does this have to do with God and evolution – unless, after it's all said and done, evolution and the halocost that it generated will not matter? |
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Purposefully Attack & Discredit While there may be some groups set out to attack the Biblical narrative, this is NOT true of biologists, geologists, astronomers, cosmologists, and such. If YOUR INTERPRETATION of holy scriptures is a sacred ox getting gored by science, maybe you should reexamine your beliefs. The Dalai Lama says that when science contradicts faith, that faith should be examined and the unworkable parts excised. It is useless, worse than useless, to believe things that are obviously (and often absurdly) wrong. The age of the universe is a pretty easy one. Step outside some dark night. I live where I can enjoy nice dark skies--you may have to travel out into the country a ways. Find the Big Dipper. The bottom and top of the pan opposite the handle--continue a line from the bottom to the top extending about five times the distance between these two stars, and you will find the North Star (Polaris). Oh, never mind all that. Instead, look for Cassiopeia, also known as "The Flying W" because one side is bent down. Beneath the W is a line of four or five fairly bright stars, the last of which curls upwards. Some of these are the stars of the Constellation of Andromeda. If you pick the third bright one from the left, and go right angles from the line towards Cassiopeia, you will see a faint star, then a second faint star, and just to the right of that second faint star is a tiny smudge of light. In a telescope you can make out the hub of the Andromeda Galaxy, which is what that faint light smudge is. We measure the distance to it as 2.5 million light years, meaning the light you see now left there 2.5 million years ago. That is slightly more than the 6000 years folks calculate for the age of the universe from the genealogies given in the Bible. Please note--I am NOT saying the Bible is wrong on this, I'm saying the interpretation of it that concludes the universe must therefore be 6000 years old is wrong. We have TREES practically that old, and we have tree ring records that coincide with C14 dates running back well over 20,000 years. Uh oh, you know what THAT means. |
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Lord_shiva. . . <<The Bible well describes God creating the earth, the moon and the stars besides all biological life. The Christians get bogged down in trying to explain origins of Creation and have it run parallel to the evolutionary theory. >> This post only mentions evolution, but any other of the science disciplines are pertinent. Anytime Christians try to debate issues of science with scientists and use the Bible as a reference they are not on solid footing! The Bible is not a science text and was never meant to be used as such. It's a record of God's dealing with a particular people ( the Hebrews ), and how God made it possible for all people to be able to have a relationship with Him ( God ) I'm glad for your knowledge of our world. Sorry for2misunderstanding regarding some Christians who challenge that knowledge. |
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dmaestro 09-Feb-18, 10:26 |
In 1910 nobody knew how the Sun could keep shining because they didn’t understand fusion. In a hundred years we may understand way more than we do now. I have said before that not only is Job the oldest book in the Bible but the key to understanding it. God’s ways are not human. Science is the means God has given to understand the world, not taking the Bible as a science text or ancient Genesis as any more literal scientifically than Atlantis. If God chooses evolution as the means of creating the possibility of human life how does that diminish God? I say don’t be like Job’s foolish friends demanding God conform to their limited understanding. Focus on the Greater and Lesser Commandments which will never change or evolve instead. |
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IHS So true! St. Anselm may have had something to say about that too. |
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St. Augustine www.pibburns.com Great quote in this link, and I am pleased we are on the same page on this, I suspect. Not that you have to think the same way I do, but that science should be the final arbitrator on conflicts between irrational belief and reality. |
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dmaestro. . . It has taken me a day or two to respond to this mish-mash by demeastro from his last post because I was standing all day yesterday at work. First I'll address . . . << God has compassion for humans who are spirits put here to perform assigned tasks learn about the world by trial and error. God takes into account human limits at the time because what is important is seeking God. God communicates underlying truths through parables and fables because the whole truth is ineffable, beyond space and time. >> God's tasks to mankind are summerized in a few places of Scripture. His purposes for mankind have nothing to do with this drivel. Two passages which come to mind are first is found in Jeremiah 9:23, 24. “This is what the Lord says: The wise man must not boast in his wisdom; the strong man must not boast in his strength; the wealthy man must not boast in his wealth. But the one who boasts should boast in this, that he understands and knows Me— that I am Yahweh, showing faithful love, justice, and righteousness on the earth, for I delight in these things. This is the Lord’s declaration.” The other is Micah 6:8 “Mankind, He has told you what is good and what it is the Lord requires of you: to act justly, to love faithfulness, and to walk humbly with your God.” His communicating through parables (NOT “fables” fables are fantasy, the Lord's parables are NOT FANTASY!) And Jesus taught with parables because most all of the people who came to him were simple farmers and fishermen, so he relayed ETERNAL truths by this method. These truths were related to eternal spiritual realities which most of SCIENCE today does not ever consider for the most part. << because the whole truth is ineffable, beyond space and time >> In the long scheme of life who cares about learning everything about all things? Come, on, all we should care about is taking care of our families and understanding our world enough so we can relate to it in a meaningful manner. << What would be the point of trying to inspire humans thousands of years ago with exact scientific truths they could never understand? How would you communicate the theory of relativity or quantum mechanics in Biblical times? How would you explain a universe created from a singularity 13 Billion years ago or an Earth over 4 Billion years ago and a moon created from a massive collision with another planet? How would you explain extinctions created by a massive asteroid blasting with the impact releasing billions of times more energy than Hiroshima? >> There is NO POINT TO ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS. (See my comment above, please?) << If God chooses evolution as the means of creating the possibility of human life how does that diminish God? >> It does so when men decide to use randomness and endless eons of time to deminish God's power and authority over these scientific processes which He has set in place. In doing this men have determined that there are no “moral” or “ethical” impetus for limiting his behavior! Every despot and ruthless dictator which has scourged the earth and led to philosophical ideaologies which we now define as communism and atheistic secular humnanism are the direct result of this progressive thinking. Eliminating recompense for evil and destructive behavior is why there can be no compatibility between evolution and Christianity. |
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The wise man must not boast in his wisdom; the strong man must not boast in his strength; the wealthy man must not boast in his wealth." Yet we have a president who asserts he is a stable genius, wiser than all our military generals combined in matters of war, far smarter than climate scientists engaged in a massive Chinese hoax engineered to deceive us into rejecting our western lifestyle and adopting homosexuality, and who proudly boasts of his accumulated billions. Man of God indeed. |
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Answer Me These Questions Three <There is NO POINT TO ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS.> Science is all about insightful questions. We know Earth is 4.54 billion years old, give or take 50 million years. That is narrowed down pretty tight. So if you told a goat herder that who had no concept of a billion much less the language for such numbers, would it get passed down from generation to generation until it could speak to us? The literalist interpretation of scripture is not widely accepted today, and never was. The largest Christian denomination on Earth accepts the fact of biological evolution, though just 400 years ago they imprisoned a man for the heresy of asserting heliocentrism. Historically, the church loses combat in matters of faith versus reason. While the Catholics seemed to have learned this lesson well, evangelical Xtians are determined to be taught it again. Whenever a naive young Xtian runs into a hardened, street-wise gang of punk scientists, the encounter goes poorly for the misguided, misinformed Xtian. I had so hoped to demonstrate this to the Bible Club, from which you and Shirley gave me the ecclesiastical boot. Because the Bible Club is not a forum for the free and open exchange of ideas, but rather an echo chamber. |
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Strength Did I fail to mention what a sick, disgusting piece of work Groper is? I trust no one accidentally thinks I hold this pathetic moron of a president in any high regard. I do think much more highly of our former worst president, George W. Bush, however. |
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Lord_shiva. . . I would not bother a goat herder with such information. It would be meaningless to him. Rather, I would share the great news which is Jesus and of God's love for him. That is something he could understand and change his life for ever. << The literalist interpretation of scripture is not widely accepted today, and never was. The largest Christian denomination on Earth accepts the fact of biological evolution, though just 400 years ago they imprisoned a man for the heresy of asserting heliocentrism. Historically, the church loses combat in matters of faith versus reason. While the Catholics seemed to have learned this lesson well, evangelical Xtians are determined to be taught it again. >> You group certain beliefs here, and mix the beliefs of some groups from times past with beliefs of some groups from the present day. And also you use stereotypes (misconstrued) of some groups, mixing and matching so to ridicule the beliefs of all Christians. The "literal" interpretation of Scripture is the only reliable means to understand what God has trying to communicate. Through the years, it has been discovered that it is not the Bible which has failed to accurately transmit truth, but it was man who failed to accurately understand what God has said! Interesting, that you mention that Catholicism has compromised it's tenets to better align with modern day social norms. Now, consider how this religion and also on the front pages with all of their social dysfunction. Hmm. << Whenever a naive young Xtian runs into a hardened, street-wise gang of punk scientists, the encounter goes poorly for the misguided, misinformed Xtian. >> Not so. There are many cases where devout Christian ministers impact social darkness and depravity in powerful ways. One great documented example is David Wilkerson's. In fact, one of the gang members whose life was transformed, Niki Cruz, wrote a book which describes his changed life: "Run, Baby, Run". Lives are stilled being transformed today. |
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Nicky Cruz Interesting how you twisted my words to suggest Catholics compromised their faith. They did no such thing, rather they strengthened it by incorporating science instead of weakening their faith by rejecting reason. Again, this literalist interpretation is more or less a new thing restricted to a small subset of Xtianity gaining influence towards the beginning of the 20th century. Granted, Ussher and others calculated Earth's age based on estimates of Biblical genealogies, but this was more out of ignorance of any better way than actual science. Even Ussher was not a literalist in the modern sense. Modern literalism is largely devoid of reason. When you tell a literalist that it is raining cats and dogs, they watch their step so as to not accidentally step in a poodle. This ultra simplistic interpretation robs their beloved manuscript of its symbolism and allegory, which are more mature techniques for imparting wisdom that wise old goat herders often employed back in ancient Greece and Rome. The Hebrews too borrowed, developed, and used these. If Jesus never witnessed gladiator sports, it is highly likely he still witnessed plays and oratations. I visited ampitheaters in Petra and Amman that were built before Jesus was born--these were in towns smaller than Jericho and Jerusalem. Amman might have been bigger than the Jewish villages--probably was in fact, but Petra wasn't. |
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was never a scientist. He was an actual gang leader, whose dear mother regarded him (apparently) as Son of Satan. >> This former gang member is remembered here not for his lack of scientific expertise, ( which of course you are aware of ), so why did you bring it up? ( Except to deflect my reason for bringing up his name!), namely that his life was transformed into a Christian by the power of the Gospel of Jesus. If you want to debate the tenets of true Christian faith from the pretenders I suggest we go to another thread. |
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Ampitheaters And the actors excelled at telling stories rich with metaphor our modern society now seems to fail to understand. How often are you ironic or sarcastic and your audience has no clue what you ate going on about? |
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Not Interested YOU brought up Nicky Cruz, in response to my post about gang scientists whailing the tar out of naive literalist Xtians. The way Bill Nye routed poor Ken Ham in that creationist debate. |
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As I have. . . We need to keep focused on the Kingdom of heaven. And the freedom offered those who join with God. Men who believe that science and technology/ knowledge will solve the problems of life will be always, REPEAT, always disappointed. Only God who created our world can meet our needs in that regard. |
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Disappointment I watched faith healer Father DiOrio engage in his performance art one year. No one suffering paraplegia or quadriplegia was healed. No amputees had limbs restored. What does God have against amputees? But LOTS of people with mysterious, hidden cancers had their tumors dissolved. Quite a few enjoyed an emotional "high" from the prayers and hosannas. Their spirits temporarily buoyed from the cares and travails of their usual daily existence. It was an eye opening experience for me. People WANT to be deceived. And, to derail the subject (but simultaneously roll back to it), this explains how Groper won election. American gullibility is on a Russian bet jet sled to oblivion. |
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lord_shiva. . . www.patheos.com/blogs/tipofthespear/2015/12/corroborating-miracles-with-medical-testing-and-documentation/ jamesbishopblog.com/2016/10/07/research-team-confirms-healing-ministry-of-heidi-baker-southern-medical-journal/ letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/2010/10/11/study-healing-miracles-in-mozambique/ Throuhout history there have been many other miracles in healing impossible cases. Smith Wigglesworth was famous for the healings which God wrought under his ministry. documentedhealings.com/category/smith-wigglesworth/ Your skepticism is fueled by pride and ingnorance, not by a lack of evidence. |
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Skepticism fueled by Igorance But pride? How does pride enter in here? |
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