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amacivn
13-Jun-20, 09:04

I don't think anything of value would be lost if pawntiflex disappeared
pawntificator
13-Jun-20, 09:34

Was he a converted Christian? I certainly don't have any reason to believe he was except for your daughter's testimony. I do know that he held a gun on a pregnant woman's belly during a robbery.

My only point is that police brutality is bad when it happens to anyone. I'm not going to pretend George Floyd was some kind of hero.
lord_shiva
13-Jun-20, 09:41

Pawny: George Floyd was a scumbag. So was the guy who killed him. Nothing of value was lost.

Amacivn: I don't think anything of value would be lost if pawntiflex disappeared.

Amacivn's comment needed a little background for anyone not following this thread.
pawntificator
13-Jun-20, 09:43

I'm barely following this thread. But I didn't take it as some sort of death threat. Hopefully nobody else did either.
classica
13-Jun-20, 09:44

George Floyd was no angel - granted - but no one, absolutely
no one should be treated like that. The protests are more about
what the atrocity stands for - the systemic police targeting,
brutalizing and murdering African American people. This is now
being addressed on many levels and should have been done
decades ago.

I heard something brilliant today "the best social program is a job".
pawntificator
13-Jun-20, 09:47

I disagree that there is systemic targeting of black people.

www.oann.com
classica
13-Jun-20, 10:14

1,033 people have been shot and killed by police in the past year
www.washingtonpost.com

www.buzzfeednews.com

newsone.com

www.huffpost.com

To be a police officer is a very dangerous job that is essential to
keeping the world safe. While many work at their jobs and at times
just hope to get finished with their shift, police officers have times
when they just want to finish the shift alive. They put their lives
on the line every day, and for those who respect the citizens and the law,
they deserve high praise.

It is, however, shortsighted to believe there are not problems with policing
and the criminal justice system in the US. Hopefully, positive changes are
on the way.


lord_shiva
13-Jun-20, 11:04

"I disagree that there is systemic targeting of black people."

Yes, but you are wrong about so many things. I'm not sure I've ever seen you right yet, outside of Groper winning the general--for which you got a nice bottle of Tequila.
amacivn
13-Jun-20, 11:24


And why would you waste a good bottle of Tequila ????
lord_shiva
13-Jun-20, 15:39

Lost a Bet
I was sad to part with that.
lord_shiva
13-Jun-20, 15:41

However
I am glad Pawntificator enjoyed it.

He sent me a copy of "Art of the Deal," which I have protected against my wife using as kindling.
amacivn
14-Jun-20, 04:55

Lord_Shiva
Next time send him a bottle of Irn Bru ... he'll never spot the difference

Or better yet .. don't bet with someone who always thinks he's right

Listening to your better half is the way to go !
pawntificator
14-Jun-20, 04:58

Shouldn't you always bet with someone you think is wrong?

A closer examination of reality would reveal that I am almost always correct.

pawntificator
14-Jun-20, 05:03

Also, if a book is your property you can do whatever you wish with it.

For some reason, a leftist wanting to burn a book doesn't really surprise me.
lord_shiva
14-Jun-20, 05:50

Curious
Mist book burnings are presided over by conservatives. Harry Potter, huckleberry Finn, Of Mice and Men, The Catcher in the Rye, all have been subjects of bans by conservatives. To Kill a Mockingbird.

What books have liberals ever sought to ban? Atlas Shrugged? They tend to just be happy people read, instead of stare at Fox Noise.
lord_shiva
14-Jun-20, 05:53

Librarians & Liberals Fight Book Bans
lithub.com
amacivn
14-Jun-20, 07:34

As usual iknoweverything your wrong a wager or bet is supposed to be an agreement were both sides take a risk

The uncertainty of the gamble ... what you describe is taking advantage of ... and judging by your past comments it comes as no suprise

.. you can't tell somebody like you anything ... unless it's whiter than white .. that is
classica
14-Jun-20, 10:10

www.bitchute.com
lord_shiva
14-Jun-20, 11:02

Death Statistics
In the UK, which boasts a large and ethnically diverse immigrant population, police have killed two people so far this year. Three in all of 2019. One in 2018. Four in 2017 (a bad year). Five in 2016 (an even worse year). Four in 2015. One in 2014. NONE in all of 2013. One in 2012...

Since 2000 there have been 51 people gunned down by UK police. In every case English Bobbies were fully justified--the culprit was a clear and present danger to the community.

The UK population is 66 million, or one fifth that of the United States. So by extension we would expect there to be 5 times as many people killed by US police officers. 5 times 51 = 255.

Damn. US police killed more than that in just a single year. In 2019, just last year, US police killed 1004 suspects. We've killed over 430 just so far this year. The year isn't even over and we have offed more people than the UK would have, were it the same size as us, in the past TWENTY years.

Or limiting ourselves to just this year, US officers gun down FORTY (40) times as many people (2x5 = 10, 430/10 = 43) as the UK would were it our size.

Having said that, I watched the video of the Atlanta shooting, and agree with the police decision in that case. Officers were physically assaulted.

shirlmygirl
14-Jun-20, 11:46

When I was growing up in England, the police didn't even carry guns. They had truncheons so they could defend themselves if they were threatened. I remember those truncheons hanging down at their sides. I am not sure when that changed. I may have left England at that time, 1964. Perhaps they were given weapons in a really dangerous situation at the time when they normally didn't carry guns.
lord_shiva
14-Jun-20, 12:18

UK Police
UK police typically do not carry firearms. A few do, and those are usually concealed--I believe.

After 9/11 UK police adopted "Kratos," a policy of (typically) aiming for a suspect's head or legs, if the suspect is a suicide bomber. Only one person mistakenly identified as such was killed by police within the past twenty years.

To carry a firearm requires special training, which only some officers receive and therefore only some officers qualify. They mix in with the rest so would be terrorists cannot be sure who is armed with lethal force and who is not.

They absolutely have my respect, as do most peace officers around the world. The only three I ever met I thought were questionable was one US officer who kept interrupting my answers to his questions. He didn't give me a ticket so I don't really hold anything against him. One was an officer in Belarus, who demanded our passports. He was in military garb, but his uniform was in shambles and he was disheveled. After a cursory inspection he returned them. He just didn't engender respect by his appearance. The other was apparently a Belarus officer on board a train to Minsk. He forbade photographs of the forested countryside. But he wasn't in any uniform at all, so I can't really say he represented the law.

In contrast, other of my most delightful encounters with with the Belarus police. On the way OUT of the country (we had no trouble while we were there) our passports were collected and examined multiple times. Twice I can understand, once leaving a country and once entering a new country. But we were still in Belarus, and the third set of officers were two really beautiful young women--one of whom was statuesque. Tall, blonde, Nordic features. I explained that our passports had already been examined twice before, but they replied that since they had started the procedure they were compelled to complete it.

We surrendered our passports. Meanwhile, a young German tourist was hauled off the train and grilled. His insurance papers were apparently "out of order." The officers returned and probably because I had been sipping cognac with two Lithuanian ladies in our carriage I felt emboldened to call out after them, "do svedanya meelaya sozdanaya," which is Russian for "see you later, charming creatures." It was one of the few phrases I remembered from my Russian class twenty years earlier. Then a big burly officer came into the room, on their heels, from the other side of the aisle. I thought for certain I was about to receive the German tourist treatment when, possibly from the look of alarm in my eyes, he burst out laughing and said (in Russian so I'm only half certain of my translation) "silver-tongued American playboy."

I have had a LOT of encounters with police--mostly in America, and with that one trivial exception none were bad. White privilege, possibly.

classica
15-Jun-20, 04:10

Back onto the topic of COV-19
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons Sues FDA
for “Irrational” Interference of Access to Life-Saving Hydroxychloroquine

aapsonline.org

The data in the court filing is clear (page 10)

India and other countries used HCQ.
India had 2 deaths per million.
US prohibited HCQ.
US had 278 deaths per million.

One scandal is covering up another scandal which is covering up another scandal.
As we look at these atrocities, they want us confused and divided and arguing.

lord_shiva
15-Jun-20, 09:05

Irrational?
Irrational is promoting a drug known to have no benefit in the treatment of a particular condition.

Large studies have shown it is no more effective than a placebo.

The GOOD news is that the drug is NOT as fatal in the treatment of late stage progression of Covid. So why is the lack of effect bad news? It is because the drug is cheaper than a vaccine will be. I WISH studies had turned out otherwise--that the drug had proved far more effective, because it is relatively cheap and easy to make. I drink gin and tonics partly just for the quinine, and we have no malaria mosquitoes.
amacivn
17-Jun-20, 02:23

Update
In The UK there's been a big stride in the TREATMENT OF covid-19, not a cure , a breakthrough treatment

youtu.be

DEXAMETHASONE

A cheap steroid used and available worldwide
shirlmygirl
18-Jun-20, 12:03

That is great news, Neil. I have no doubt that the drug will be effective.
lord_shiva
18-Jun-20, 12:48

At Risk Patients
The steroid appears to have cut fatality rates for patients on ventilators between 1/5th and 1/3rd.

That is wonderful news, though not for nearly 80% of those on life support, or really for anyone else who contracts the disease--which scars the lungs even of those who are asymptomatic.

www.fiercepharma.com

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade. The drug will be a useful tool if this pans out, and it currently DOES look much more promising that hydroxychloroquine, which sadly failed to live up to any promise. Sadly, because the US stocked up on this drug. We have 60 million doses, and as they expire a year from now that represents a sad waste.

The drug is NOT a preventative, as Trump had promoted hydroxychloroquine. If you are on a ventilator, your risk of death is reduced from 20% to 30%.

I have friends who, if they contract Covid, they will die. 22 states saw their Covid-19 infection rates climb in the past two weeks. This is NOT positive news.

The good news is that THIS study appears to have been conducted more carefully than the hydroxy study, so the steroid likely IS a more effective treatment. The other good news is that the hydroxy treatment did NOT kill at risk patients any faster than regular intensive care. The drug simply didn't have any measurable impact, either as a prophylactic, in early treatment, or in the late stage progression of the disease.

While anyone who contracts Covid is likely to suffer permanent lung damage, the good news is that you are not all that likely to die from it, unless you are over 60. 60+ your odds are still better than 80% you will survive. Think of it this way--if you are over 60 your odds on surviving Covid are about the same as your odds on surviving one live round of Russian roulette.

Want to play those odds?
shirlmygirl
18-Jun-20, 13:06

I saw a picture of a patient's lung. It was horrible. Shriveled up and blackened. I was shocked. And she was a young woman. Perhaps she had already damaged her lungs beforehand by vaping. I think she had to have a lung transplant.
classica
18-Jun-20, 13:08

Info on masks
www.youtube.com
lord_shiva
18-Jun-20, 17:02

Genuine Info on Masks
www.pnas.org

IHS ridicules Wikipedia as a legitimate source, but they trounce YouTube for accuracy of information.

People have been saying they expect R0 (r-nought, the infection rate) to be 70%. I thought that might be a bit high, until the Church in Eastern Oregon was exposed. 236 of the 365 members tested positive, for an R0 of 65%. I don't know if ALL the members had attended recent services, but epidemiologists expect most of the infections resulted from just one main meeting.

Only 5 have been hospitalized so far, which beats the national average. I would have anticipated that of the 236 we would see a case fatality rate (CFR) close to the national average: 6%. That means about 14 deaths.

That only 5 have been hospitalized is really wonderful news. Close to 90% of those requiring ventilators in New York died. So that is really bad. On the other hand, the new drug--NOT hydroxychloroquine (which has no demonstrable effect) but the steroid--reduced hospitalization deaths 20%. In the case of the Pentacostal Church that would mean that if all 5 are on ventilators, one would recover normally, and one more would recover if the drug regiment works. So only 3 would be expected to die. If they do better than that they beat the national odds.

pp2p
10-Jul-20, 18:18

after
After deconfined ++ French citizen in hospital, ++ deceded...
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