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 If I is SmarterOn the other hand, you have different fingers. Neandertal midden bone assemblages reveal much dietary diversity than contemporaneous Sapien garbage pits. This is used to indicate Sapiens enjoyed an intellectual edge over the healthier, more robust but hidebound Neandertal. |
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LS is there a fossil record that directly links us that is paired with DNA. That is 100% or 99% certain? yes or no? My premise is that we were engineered, kept in a controlled environment and introduced to species in that controlled environment. If you engineer a species you will use existing genetics and modify them. There are parts of our DNA that do not belong there according to www.livescience.com. Also it does state in the Bible that there were other humans during that time. This has long confused people who read the Bible. If Adam and Eve were the first how could there be other humans? simple they were the first of our kind. |
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Vacuums are bad . . . Okay, let see if this may make my apparent “us vs you situation” a little clearer. Information, knowledge and our understanding of our world (read science) does not exist in a moral vacuum. “smoking gun or not” most evolutionists believe that our biological world is the result of random processes over eons and eons of time. That there was no “outside agent” (read God) involved in this. That being so, there also, is no impetus for, or criteria for determining how to gauge moral behavior. Philosophy and “common good” and “mutual respect” and other such notions are used by many for their own innate peace of mind as well as for determining how to interact with others. However, there are some who take this “randomness” and “happenstance” for understanding our world and they take it a little further along. They say if there isn't any “absolutes” to determine their behavior and they are free to do as they please, even if that means harming others These kind of people are usually called “psychotic” aren't they? Whatever they're called they are dangerous and need to be kept under lock and key for the protection and safety of others. Unfortunately, keeping them in a safe place sometimes comes too late. Case in point – that recent school shooting in Florida. This whole recent dangerous social phenomena is a result of removing the morals compass which used to be in place in our schools and we have replaced it with what? Nothing. That's what. And look at the result. This “war” I'm waging is in response to the irresponsible mindset which continues to deny the importance of solid Biblical morals. Especially, for our children. Information and knowledge taught without these is dangerous. |
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Harming Others Religious leaders like Bush, Cheney, and Groper promote torture of infidels to this day. Maybe not Bush so much, but Cheney was a big fan, and Holy Groper thinks Cheney was a pansy, and called for the murder of the families of torture victims. <<Information, knowledge and our understanding of our world (read science) does not exist in a moral vacuum. “smoking gun or not” most evolutionists believe that our biological world is the result of random processes over eons and eons of time. That there was no “outside agent” (read God) involved in this. That being so, there also, is no impetus for, or criteria for determining how to gauge moral behavior. Philosophy and “common good” and “mutual respect” and other such notions are used by many for their own innate peace of mind as well as for determining how to interact with others.>> Sure we have evolved a perfectly decent moral gauge. Why is it Xtians outnumber atheists ten to one in prison? What moral code allows evangelicals to throw their whole hearted support behind a serial adulterer like Groper who fosters greed, racism, bigotry, torture--all the very best human vices? |
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You are bringing up extreme excesses of power which Christians immigrated to America to escape. Again, you purposely misrepresent the facts! The Christian heritage which was established in America taught as a matter of course, a morality which guided our Government and nation for over two hundred years. That has been replaced by the secular humanists who were behind the social engineering which led to outlawing prayer and Bible reading, leaving the moral vacuum now in place. |
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Sure, replacing the Bible and prayer from the schools mean these little infidels go out into society w/o a moral compass. They run afowl of the law, go to prison and find Jesus Christ there. They used to be introduced to Him in school.. |
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the wall And make no mistake they as we all will, will give an account. But that account is their personal account. Just as ours is ours. I once was inspired to ask God "What is Love" This was before I knew Christ, back when I thought he was just a good man. The answer I got frustrated me. Here is what I was told... "Love is realizing that there is truly only one of us here" I thought that is a ridiculous answer. So I let some time pass... Months , So I asked again... I got the same answer... but a little louder. I still did not accept the answer I was given. So I dropped it for a long while... years. So I was then reading the Bible and before I opened it I thought of that question, so I prayed rather than talked to. and asked the same question again. I got the same answer again, dismissed it again. When i opened the Bible and started reading it was at Matthew 25:31-46 I tell you the truth what ever you did for the least of these, you did for me...... and what ever you did not do for the least of these you did not do for me. for lord lord when have we ever seen you in prison? Or hungry. or a stranger... Do unto other as you would have done unto you... love your neighbor as yourself... over and over it is the same message... and I was amazed and thought. man I am hard headed and stupid that it took many years for this to sink into my thick skull! |
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Wall an illusion/ a LIE to deceive! Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; In case you do not recognize this it is the First Amendment to the United States constitution! Those globalists now running the Government, THEY are the ones ABUSING THE POWER! They have pushed( nearly silenced) the Christian voices altogether! Who legalized the murder of babies while yet in the womb, and legalized the travesty of gay marriage? Complete insanity. It were not the Christian voices. We're being told to SHUT UP! |
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Salem where? Salem Europe? Witches be hanged in Salem England, may hap? Ours is a secular government, and always has been, for very good reason. Theocracy sucks. In addition, abortion started out nice and legal. It was outlawed in the early 1900s because the practice cut into the profits of ObGyns. On gay marriage the church remains just as wrong as it used to be on miscegenation. Loving vs. Virginia? The church enacted that hateful law, justifying it on the grounds God created the races separate. God apparently had nothing to say on masters raping and mutilating their slaves, however. |
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Lord_shiva. . . The bottom line here, unless "religion" is driven by the love of God, and guided by the Holy Spirit, people will be taken advantage of, or worse. Christians, whose only desire is to bring glory to God, have ALWAYS improved the lives of those they touched. On the other hand, where our influence is outlawed, and men are left to their own devices, the results (again), are ALWAYS negative. |
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Very Proud But let us speak of smoking guns. I mentioned GULO earlier. Know why this gene is a smoking gun for common ancestry between our species and old world primates? |
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GULO activity has been lost in some species of bats, that means they use to have it. It is a way to convert GULO produces the precursor to ascorbic acid, which spontaneously converts to the vitamin ("vitamin C"). Something that most living organisms need! That is like saying since a primate has the gene that makes eyes brown. that is a smoking gun? I dont think so |
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Fruit Bats But it is broken the same way in old world primates as it is in humans. Same defect. Pure coincidence? If I were creator and did not want humans to imagine evolution was real, I would not have created ANY other primates. These creatures, with their all too human like behaviors, are enormously compelling evidence of our kinship to other species. Consider Neanderal and Denisovans. Every "missing link" creates two new gaps. Despite smoothing transitions between our species and more ancient hominid populations. |
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Designing Common Defects en.m.wikipedia.org |
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being similar is not enough evidence for me. The Bible does state and also indirectly that there were other humanoids on earth during that time. There is a method of creation for all the animals and plants and evolution is part of that process. However if you take genetics from already existing species and mold it to your will. in order to produce another species with traits you have programmed in them for a purpose. Can it not be said that you created that species? Especially if you had created everything else also!? Now man can not say we created a new species's because we are using what has already been made! I>E> get your own sand. Let us create man in our likeness and image. Evolution is not at odds with the Bible, nor is it prof that the Bible is false. We all just have a lack of understanding. ( on both sides) |
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Rhesus Factor en.m.wikipedia.org We are in agreement that evolution does not conflict with any decent allegorical interpretation of origins. |
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Take the Neanderthal man. Arnold Schwarzenegger at the peak of is physicality 22.5 inches would have been nothing and I mean a runt of the litter. to neanderthal man. They were at least 5 times as strong as us, ( probly much more) used tools and had way better endurance and the ability to withstand freezing weather. Chimpanzees have used tools for a very long time as well. proven relatively recently. They are five times stronger than us. To me it has to do with the Brain or the ability to process information and imagination into real world results. Perhaps this could be explained by the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? Glucose goes directly to the brain (for the most part) it is the brains favorite fuel. I am wondering if that specialized fruit, that was developed and designed for that purpose. Was that fruit simply a delivery system? Not everything needs to be explained by a miracle, that by definition is un-explainable Things were explained to us in the simplest of terms and has withstood the test of time. We are just ignorant in the knowledge department. If we went back in time say 70 years or more and told researchers that the polio virus could be used to cure cancer. We would be run out of town! |
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Smoking Gun A primate has a defective copy of a gene that expresses the protein that synthesizes ascorbic acid. Primates cannot make it. Humans have the same defective gene. There are a thousand mammals, of which only three types are known to have broken GULO genes. Of these three, only humans and primates share the same defect. Why would a Creator craft the same defect in such closely related species? Then there are endogenous retroviral insertions, segments of DNA in loci in introns inthe same locations in humans and chimpanzees. The further the lineage devolves, the greater the difference. Smacks of common ancestry, particularly given that introns do not express proteins. |
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Now that knowlege all of it. Can be used for good or evil and everything in between. Other species that share 99% of our DNA are not even close. What did you think about my hypothesis that the fruit was used as a delivery system? Something triggered in the Brian... Take object perminance... if you do not have it. How hard is it to a quiet it? Especially when it would not even enter the mind. The entier concept would be alien because the brain does not allow it. Because the nessicary biological adaptation is not present to process it. |
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Delivery Fruit I had not really considered ingesting food to trigger significant change, but it is certainly plausible. Especially considering coryaceps. The progression of this fungus through various species is startling. A food that awakens consciousness or self awareness. Interesting idea! The closest I get to real world examples are ergot induced metaphysical visions and revelations. Certain Indian tribes use peyote for similar effect. Is that a cactus fruit? I seem to recall it is more of a fungus also. |
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I have even considered that it may have been a virus that was designed to make a certain genetic change. That is if it was not the fruit in an if itself. My point is That, things dont have to be miraculous. We were explained what happened in very simple terms that matched where we were as a species at that time. To me The garden of Eden was a controlled environment and the fruit was the ultimate delivery system for a species that was already designed to receive it. If you read that story and think of how it could be achieved in the realm of science. I find tgis to be very interesting |
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winslowhightower 21-Feb-18, 20:01 |
This is all a crazy miracle. |
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GULO Gene Not possible. Mutations are random. If a mutation broke a critical genetic function, the organism would not survive to pass it along. In fruit bats the gene broke one way. In guinea pigs it broke a different way. It appears to have broken a third way in primates. Did it break the same way in gorillas, chimps, orangutans, and all other old world monkeys--AND in humans, all at the same time? These split at differing times in ancient Africa. AND it is broken in Neandertal. Not sure about Denisovans, but if we have typed them it is broken in them the same way, it is safe to bet. |
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Winslow LS a safe bet... is still a bet none the less. |
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