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shirlmygirl
28-Jul-20, 12:51

Yes, it is supposed to be about Covid-19. It got turned over to insults about President Trump, which lord_shiva is always willing to do.
classica
28-Jul-20, 13:00

It's best not to feed the MSM parrots.
lord_shiva
28-Jul-20, 16:11

Opinion
It's an opinion piece by a crank researcher. Yes, he is a Yale epidemiology professor.

In the real world of hard core analysis we have this:

www.sciencemag.org

Three large studies, two in people exposed to the virus and at risk of infection and the other in severely ill patients, show no benefit from the drug. Coming on top of earlier smaller trials with disappointing findings, the new results mean it’s time to move on, some scientists say, and end most of the trials still in progress.

"It just seems like we are ignoring signal after signal,” says Eric Topol, director of the Scripps Translational Science Institute. U.S. President Donald Trump’s promotion of it led to a scientific “obsession” with hydroxychloroquine despite thin evidence for its promise, he says. “We’d be better off shifting our attention to drugs that might actually work.” Peter Kremsner of the University of Tübingen agrees hydroxychloroquine “certainly isn’t a wonder drug.” The new results left him “wrestling” with the question of whether to proceed with two hydroxychloroquine trials, one in hospitals and the other in patients with milder illness at home.

shirlmygirl
28-Jul-20, 17:54

I do not believe that he is a crank researcher. It seems quite logical to me, but the drug has to be given very early in the diagnosis accompanied by other medications.
lord_shiva
29-Jul-20, 02:26

Hydroxychloroquine
Groper took it as a prophylactic, which according to Stormy would be the first time he has used one of those.

If one doctor says I need to amputate my leg and three others insist that isn't necessary, I'm leaning towards the majority opinion.
shirlmygirl
29-Jul-20, 06:10

It would be very interesting if President Trump turns out to be correct about hydroxychloroquine.
lord_shiva
29-Jul-20, 11:16

Dr. Fauci
Dr. Fauci announced on the news this morning that multiple studies revealed NO positive effect from the use of hydrochloroquine either to prevent infection OR in the treatment of the disease.

He was citing studies that showed no positive effect either in early or late stage, or in combination with any other treatment.

What would be truly miraculous would be if Groper turned out to be correct about ANYTHING. He is such a liar--if he tells you something count on it being an outright lie. Groper and truth mix about like sodium and water. Which might explain why Christians adore him so much. I have no idea. I cannot understand it. But evangelicals practically worship at the throne of Groper. Television evangelists warn us how Groper is anointed by God, and any opposition to him goes against His church.

www.au.org

I think Shirlmygirl is wise not to support Trump. The Christian church's embrace of this sleazy slime ball undermines their credibility. Not that I profess to be any great Christian, but when I hear Christians defend Groper's lying, insulting, nastiness, his corruption and depraved wickedness, it makes me wonder how anyone else can regard Christianity in a positive light.

If the Seventh Day Adventists don't embrace this lying charlatan, maybe their faith isn't tainted by worldly politics.
shirlmygirl
29-Jul-20, 11:38

LORD_SHIVA
" Which might explain why Christians adore him so much. I have no idea. I cannot understand it. But evangelicals practically worship at the throne of Groper. Television evangelists warn us how Groper is anointed by God, and any opposition to him goes against His church."

You do not know that this statement of yours is correct. Just because some leader(s) say so doesn't mean that the majority of Christians do believe it. We shall know in November. I am waiting to see if the Lord takes the President down beforehand or if the people vote him out. I shall wait with eager anticipation to know. The Lord sets up "kings" and He takes them down.

neurokarma
29-Jul-20, 12:08

Shirl
Lord Shiva has made a convert of you. Calling him Groper..... 
lord_shiva
29-Jul-20, 12:13

Far Too Many
pastors are pro Trump. I linked to Paula White above.

Here is a North Carolina pastor who insists the impeachment of Groper was akin to impeaching Jesus:

www.charlotteobserver.com

Pastor Tim B. Jones set off a debate with a sign outside Resurrection Baptist Church in Kannapolis — less than 30 miles outside Charlotte — that reads “Trying to impeach Jesus, too! Won’t happen either!”

[For the record--Groper is impeached.]

“Wow! Comparing Trump to Jesus? You couldn’t be more wrong comparing Jesus to a man who has broken every commandment.”

Here is one from sister state South Carolina:

www.thestate.com

“Do I have anybody who is ready to go to war for Donald J. Trump, for this nation?” Burns continued in the speech, according to the news outlets.

These are not isolated cases--Groper's support among the evangelicals is only beaten by his glowing support among white supremacists.

www.npr.org

"If you go back to the late '90s when I was in college, that was the last time we had an impeachment. The issue of morality was at the forefront, and our denomination actually passed a resolution at our annual meeting in 1998 addressing morality for public figures and those who are in leadership or public officials. And that was in response to morality and immorality in the highest office."

Now, this same group embraces Groper's immorality. He fornicates with porn stars, they are fine with it. "More fornication, please!" And if he wants to pay off Playboy Bunnies with campaign finances--why God bless America!

The harm to befall the church for their embrace of this charlatan will be great. They will suffer their ability to attract young adherents for decades--just due to the image of their adulation of this Satan.

www.theatlantic.com
lord_shiva
29-Jul-20, 12:14

In Her Defense
I think she was just quoting me.  
shirlmygirl
29-Jul-20, 12:15

I was just about to say so.  
neurokarma
29-Jul-20, 12:19

As far as politicians are concerned, we all have had our crosses to bear
shirlmygirl
29-Jul-20, 12:20

Pastors support President Trump because God "sets up kings", but God also takes them down.
lord_shiva
30-Jul-20, 11:07

Herman Cain
"Don't believe the scare stories. A serious look at the numbers tells you there's no second wave starting. #Coronavirus."

"The numbers don't back up the media's 'second wave' hysteria."

"It should come as no surprise that we're now being pelted with headlines about an 'alarming' increase in COVID-19 cases. The LockdownLeft never wanted to..." hermancain.com

Rest in peace, Mr. Cain.

Victim number 154,411.
lord_shiva
30-Jul-20, 17:39

Idiots in My Town
have put up billboards stating "freedom is the cure," showing a woman pitching her face mask.

Apparently "freedom is the cure" for Covid, something the late Herman Cain would likely disagree with now if he could.

www.spokesman.com
classica
30-Jul-20, 19:05

If hydroxychloroquine was used more, the death toll would be lower!

Most masks do not block the virus. They are small enough to pass through
most masks.

Human hair = 30 to 100 microns
Virus = 0.3 - .005 microns

Also, most masks I see are loose fitting, with no good seal around.

The masks themselves can cause health problems due to less airflow
and rebreathing CO2.

If they really want to make masks mandatory, they should make only the
right masks mandatory (N-95). And they should solve the airflow
problem (with something like this www.ebay.com)



lord_shiva
31-Jul-20, 06:47

Gomer Gohmert
says he got Covid from his mask, which he rarely wore.

The virus is small, but cannot travel through air on its own. Instead, it lives inside cells, and these cells themselves are inside tiny droplets of water exhaled out of the lungs. Those droplets are comparatively huge, much larger than the fiber spacing to which they are electrically drawn via ion exchange.

So YOUR droplet motion is retarded by the passage through the filter, where they desiccate or travel more harmlessly to the floor. The virus spreades most readily through direct inhalation, and very little through surface contact. Hardly anyone goes around licking floors.

If a secret stormtrumper can wear a mask six hours violating civil liberties, you can wear one fifteen minutes shopping at the Walmart. I have watched video of doctors performing surgeries in these masks. "None of that liberal bull s* with me," you should tell them. "You take off that nasty mask while you operate on me, and don't you DARE wash your hands!"

I have also heard doctors say they have run actual twenty six mile marathons in their masks, without noticing any reduction of blood oxygen levels. I've seen video of nurses showing readings in four different styles of mask, two of which were N95 quality.

The mask isn't about you so much as about slowing the spread of your filth. In every decent nation the spread has been slowed by the use of masks. In areas of the US masks were not required infection rtes have soared. Coincidence?
lord_shiva
31-Jul-20, 06:57

Malaria is Not a Virus
Hydroxychloroquine, we learned, does NOT kill patients faster than the placebo control group, we learned. In one of three major studies the death rate was reduced from 14% of at risk patients to 12%, a finding not deemed statistically significant in the sample size. The other two studies found no effect. What is two percent of 150,000? 3000? So IF hydroxychloroquine worked as well in our weakest study on the population at large, we would have 150,000 dead instead of 154,000. Herman Cain would still most likely be dead, as would my math hero John Conway.

Louie Gohmert's odds of survival are roughly the same as one live round of Russian Roulette.

Many of those who survived will suffer permanent lung and heart tissue scarring. Please be safe. Follow the advice of medical professionals instead of misinformed Internet trolls and John Birch Society conspiracy loons. The JBS are the morons who put up the billboards in my town.
lord_shiva
31-Jul-20, 06:59

Avoid it Like the Plague
We are going to have to retire this expression. Americans suck at that, some of them literally sucking door knobs and toilet seats and licking windows.
classica
31-Jul-20, 07:09

Our doctors have found conclusively that hydroxychloroquine is
very effective in treating COV19. Dr Faucci's study on the use
of chloroquine on corona viruses confirms this.
lord_shiva
31-Jul-20, 07:39

Dr. Fauci
was on TV yesterday morning explaining that hydroxychloroquine has not demonstrated any positive effect in the treatment of Covid.
classica
31-Jul-20, 10:38

Dr. Faucci has changed his story since his 2005 study found
"Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread".
Could it be the same old profits over people story.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
onenewsnow.com
spectator.org
www.youtube.com

"The medicine [HCQ] was most widely used in Spain, where 72 percent of physicians said they had prescribed it." nypost.com

At first Faucci said masks were not needed. Then he came back and said they were.
To justify his inconsistencies, he said he didn't want there to be a shortage of masks for
health workers - in other words, he lied and justified it by saying he was protecting supplies.
Who is to say he is not lying now to protect big pharma profits.

We all know there is no good reason why this drug - proven to be safe for 65 years - is
not being used as a regular protocol to at least treat early symptoms of COV-19.
The truth is there if you have eyes to see.

shirlmygirl
31-Jul-20, 11:20

I think that hydroxychloroquine has shown to be effective just as the Corona virus is developing (very early symptoms) or given to those who might have been exposed to the virus, but I am not knowledgeable on the subject so this is a novice's conclusion. However, in fully developed symptoms and seriously ill patients it is too late for hydroxychloroquine to be effective. Probably, this is why President Trump chose to take it, and probably still is.
classica
31-Jul-20, 11:26

Louie Gohmert is taking HCQ.

If you post on Twitter of Facebook that HCQ works - they remove your post.
Why is information being censored? This is like the book burning of olden times.

We see what is happening, and no matter how many vulgar posts dispute this,
the truth is out. The truth always wins!
shirlmygirl
31-Jul-20, 11:34

I think that most of those who are dying or have died have or had serious underlying medical conditions which obviously contribute(d) enormously to their deaths.
classica
31-Jul-20, 11:41

Look at what is being censored.
needtoknow.news

This is what they are trying to hide from us.

The mainstream media and big tech is like someone with a megaphone
trying to bamboozle us into believing they are the majority and the only truth.
We have the ability to discern the truth for ourselves.
Censorship is anti-American.
shirlmygirl
31-Jul-20, 13:09

Very interesting video.
lord_shiva
31-Jul-20, 22:06

Gomer Gohmert
Gohmert also says his mask gave him Covid. Gomert is an idiot. Do I have other evidence? He said oil pipelines help the caribou have sex. Not his most idiotic stupidity by a long shot.

Today's congressional hearing testimony:

Representative Jamie Raskin:  Should people take hydroxychloroquine to cure Covid-19?

Dr. Fauci:  The overwhelming cumulative evidence from properly conducted randomized trials indicates no therapeutic efficacy by hydroxychloroquine.

So he has changed his tune in light of superior evidence. This is known as science. Gomers do not change their minds when they are proven wrong. Genuine men of science and learning do.

Honestly, Gohmert is the stupidest idiot in congress, though he has a lot of stiff competition.
classica
01-Aug-20, 05:18

"Dr. Fauci announced on the news this morning that multiple studies revealed NO positive effect from the use of hydrochloroquine either to prevent infection OR in the treatment of the disease."
- lord_shiva

Here is the proof Faucci is lying again:

c19study.com

66 studies - 39 peer reviewed.

To blindly believe a so-called "expert" without evidence is a foolish endeavour.
He is clearly misrepresenting the truth and lying by omission.
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