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 @ Stalhandske: I don't know why Asian countries don't fall victim to such corruption as African countries does. I think it may be the Asian ethos. Asian peoples have a very strict and well defined moral and ethical code. Look at the code of Bushido of the Japanese samurai. Also, they have lived in well structured social societies for millennia. Africa does not have that at all. |
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You are indeed correct If we go on that thesis, then we should all stop writing on this or any other subject. We can only go by what we read, and I read that 200 workers were killed in a mountain where nuclear bombs were being tested in North Korea. If this is false information, then we should not even be feeling remorse, or sorrow for anyone, since nothing happened. But if it were true, then I would will maintain what I have written, and do not feel regret for any of the statements I made. The main word here is "IF". |
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stalhandske 03-Nov-17, 23:19 |
or sorrow for anyone, since nothing happened.> It is not false information! The problem is in your belief that the workers, who were moving land masses, knew that they were preparing a site for developing nuclear weapons. I think this belief is extremely unlikely to be true! And even if it is true, how do you propose these workers should have reacted? Objected to their bosses? Refused to work? Come on, you know very well how impossible all that would have been. |
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@riaannieman The people in North Korea believe that they are living well and that America is evil because that's what they were taught since they were children but this really does not matter because at the top we have some very negatively polarized individuals who must be depolarized and the only way to do this is to humiliate them the more humiliation we bring the better they are or will be. This is a system of philosophy which I have never discussed completely here on FIAT LUX. Martin |
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We can Martin |
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stalhandske 04-Nov-17, 04:01 |
The situation in North Korea is extremely difficult. The people are completely indoctrinated since childhood. However, they are intelligent people and today it is not possible to completely withhold information from the outer world. Nevertheless, I am against any active campaign aimed at "decapitating the regime" if this means what I thinkit means - kill them. I think the world outside should make bloody sure that the NK cannot and won't start a war, but otherwise my recepy would be...let them alone...don't make another Vietnam out of it! I am convinced that - sooner or later - there will be a people's revolution. |
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It is very much like a complete denial of service cyber attack, but legitimized by legislation and mandated to the defense force. The country is effectively in a communications black-out from the outside world. |
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@Stal Martin |
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stalhandske 04-Nov-17, 05:52 |
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stalhandske 04-Nov-17, 05:54 |
The Law of One I have never heard about this before! Would you please introduce it in the Club in your own words, so that we could discuss it properly? In another thread dedicated to the subject, please. |
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stal orders, and in fact maybe might be executed if they did not follow those orders by the leaders. Again, and for the second time, I am not happy these people were killed, it is an unfortunate situation to be in, and probably no fault of their own. My point is whether or not they were aware that they were being forced to work on a nuclear site, they were still involved in a mission that was threatening to kill millions and millions of people. So I am glad the endeavor of their leaders, who knew, and want to kill millions were foiled or maybe just have to postpone some of those plans to kill. To clarify my idea, I will explain that if something is going to kill millions, and that something is deterred, or preferably eradicated, and a few hundred of those who were forced to work towards that end are killed, then it is good. Especially if those few hundred were under the command of an evil man who has vowed to kill many innocent people in our country. So if anyone is saddened by the failure of a threat that has been announced by an evil and crazy leader that is not able to carry out the threat, or at least his plans have been set back, then I disagree with that person's sadness. Riaann I do not think this was the case of : << [ delete ] @ easy-win: No, the work is compartementalized into small parts and one section does not necessarily know what the other does. Each compartment only knows what is expected from itself. It is possible that only the last few compartments understands what is going on, as the work comes together. >>> As I understand, the report is that the mountain where underground tests were being conducted has caved in, and all the workers that were involved in that project lost their lives. If they were happy at what they were doing, and knew what they were trying to do, or not,but had not option but to do that, is really of no consequence. My main thought is that at least some of that work, even if not all, has been deterred, and if the estimated size of the bomb that caused that accident was the same as those that have recently been tested, then it is good that it failed. |
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How Trump can resolve NK nuclear threat ? So the tensions and conflict will continue. On the other hand, if the NK strike first, what should US do ? IMHO, US should not jump into the war instantly. SK are Japan are very strong economically. We already knew in second world war that Japanese are very good fighters. Both countries can make nuclear bombs immediately, the technology of which is no longer a secret. China will get automatically involved in the local war if NK starts it. The war will have a negative impact on China economically. When China is consumed with Korean war, US will be strong again economically and I hope that Trump will get my idea. There are 30,000 US troops in SK. If the war breaks out US should evacuate them ASAP. I believe US is preparing for that scenario. |
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ace of aces What I've understood is the following scenario : the USA wait until NK declares war to SK, sending their troops away then NK declares war China get involved the USA wait a bit more because the war is a problem for China ? If so, the many countries in the world who have American Soldiers as guests on their soil will know that those troops are not there for their protection ! Everybody will know that an alliance with the US has no value. I hope that the USA won't opt for this scenario but I doubt that NK will begin a war. It's mostly bluff from both sides (and is good for both rulers). |
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Pitroque the USA wait until NK declares war to SK, sending their troops away then NK declares war China get involved ------------------------- NK will not declare war on SK. Similar to Pearly Harbor attack if NK wants war there will be a surprise attack by unleashing a barrage of artillery and missile attacks on SK. Seoul, the capital of SK is several kilometers away from NK. The tanks will be rolling into SK similar to German Blitzkrieg invasion. I don't know how much SK can counter attack and defend. Surprise sneak attack is more advantageous for invading army. This is how the initial scenario of the war will be. |
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Pitroque said : the USA wait a bit more because the war is a problem for China ? -------------------------------- China is a neighbor to Korea and when war breaks out, if China does not like it or not, she has to do something and get involved. US and Korea are Pacific ocean apart. How can US respond quickly with massive US troops involvement? It will take several months to send artillery and war machines to SK. Please review the previous Korean war where NK overrun all of SK. US need time to send her troops to SK. Current 30.000 US troops is not enough to fight NK who has millions of soldiers. At that time, President Truman sent Gen McArthur later to fight the war. US can bomb NK but I don't think bombing alone is not adequate to win the war. At this point, we don't know how China will respond to the war. In previous Korean war Chinese troops fought along with N Korean troops to defend UN troops supported by US and that was the reason Truman could not finish the war and unite the country. |
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What China shold do, if Korean war breaks out ? |
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@stal Martin |
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If war breaks out In real war, the first thing done will be a nuclear surprise attack on both the US and SK. There will be not time to send troops here or there, the was will be an immediate retaliation with nuclear bombs from strategic locations to NK, and both sides will suffer great losses at a very Short time. There may not even be enough foot soldiers left to go into enemy countries, but if there are: The foot soldier, (Marines, and Soldiers), will only be able to go into the devastation only after the radiation is gone, after a long time. This radiation will not only be limited to the areas where bombs were delivered, but will spread to many other lands, because these bombs are much much larger that those that were dropped on Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. I just hope that the groper will allow the Top military officers to make the decisions, instead of trying to tell everybody what to do, that is, if he and the rest will be around after the first disasters. I do not think the next war will last long, as there will be heavy losses to most of the world in a short period of time. It will not take 22 days, as I have read on this thread, I envision it will probably take maybe about 10 days or so. The United States, China, NK, SK, Japan, and a lot of others that are involved will also suffer much loss. I hope I am wrong, but if that man in NK is crazy enough, the chances that it will happen are very likely. That is why I was glad they had a problem with their nuclear tests. |
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Thanks chaz |
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The President's Keepers- Charl Pauw |
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North Korea : China 1 USA 0 China cooled the situation and reinforces its political position in Asia : the USA need China and even D Trump (who has shouted a lot against China during it's campaign !) recognises the importance of the Chinese role as a mediator and must implicitly admit that it works better than gesticulations and menaces of war. Was it secretly combined between China and North Korea ? Probably not but China has played the game brilliantly. |
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What if Kim Jong Un is assassinated ? Pitroque is correct. China plays a crucial role in controlling the rocket man. Trump is exactly pursuing that plan in Beijing now. Even if the rocket man is gone somebody will take his place and the geopolitical situation will remain the same. We need more than that. US should give green light to invade NK and change the country to become a satellite country of China. Also change NK into Chinese style capitalism from Marxist-Stalinist style economy. China will not listen Trump if there is no benefit for her. A lot of N Koreans don't like the rocket men. There are lots of defectors in China. Life is much better in China. There is no comparison. His uncle, the defense minister was executed, when it was found out that he would like to change NK into Chinese style capitalist economy. His half brother who preferred reforms was also executed. Trump should give the green light to China that it is the best interest of all the parties concerned that it is the right time for China to invade NK. |
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US Alliance Where have you been hiding? Of what value is alliance with the US? Just ask the indigenous people of our country. We usually waited for the ink to dry before violating our treaties--but not always. Of what value was the negotiations with Iran? The US squatted over that document and evacuated its ample bowels. To his credit, Obama did not violate the deal while still in office. Did Saddam oust UN weapons inspectors as we have all been told? Hell no. Bush ordered them out of the country, both times. We violated UN agreements as a pretext for unprovoked war. Do not turn your back on the US. We have been busy unilaterally rescinding international trade agreements which unfairly do not permit us to keep more of the profit to which God entitles us. If we can make a buck undermining your economy or political system, why God bless America! What nation refused to stop making land mines that maim children all over the world? We probably offed Diana for meddling in US Defense Industry business. If we grow rich and fat off the arms, legs, and eyes of third world children, Praise Jesus! Suffer not the little children to immigrate to the land of the free or home of the brave. Syrian refugees scare the piddle out of us. |
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Kim Jong Un, the holy s**t in NYC. Don't underestimate a rocket man KJU who can reach NYC easily by his nuclear propelled missiles. |
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KJU was just a clown ( kidding ) Pardon him. |
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winslowhightower 03-Feb-18, 11:08 |
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Kim Jung Un According to news, she is making quite a favorable spectacle. This is viewed by some as bad news, because now we are supposed to admire people coming from NK and accept them as "glamorous". This is NK propaganda, and the news is helping our enemies to do what they intend. When one of our citizens goes to NK, he is not worshiped or admired. On the contrary, if possible, they will arrest our citizens on a flimsy charge of taking a paper from there, him, and put him or her in jail for many years. Possibly even try to expose him or her as a spy to their country, and will not agree to release our citizen, until he or she is sick to the point of near death. But most people will accept the propaganda, and read or hear how nice the NK leader's sister looks, and mention that she should probably get a gold medal for attending the events. Our newspapers are not doing us a favor by flattering someone from NK who has declared themselves as the enemy. I hope the SK people do not agree to that type of subtle propaganda, where Kim Jung Un is trying to convince the SK people that they should favor NK and not the US. Although it is more likely they will, since they all speak the same language, and are actually the same race of people. This is my opinnion, though I accept and expect contradiction |
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