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riaannieman 26-Jan-18, 23:00	I vote Qd6. I think that is the best move right now. If they move c5, we take it. If they exchange cxd5, we capture Bf1. If they move Nb4, we just take our bishop out of the way.
stalhandske 26-Jan-18, 23:33	17. ...Qd6 I agree, a good solid move.
cyrano 27-Jan-18, 00:15	Please go deep in your analysis, the position is critical for Black
riaannieman 27-Jan-18, 00:21	Yes Master Cyrano, I don't think we must be in a hurry. I am at the office right now, but when I return home I'll try to work out the moves I think is best and propose it in detail. It is just that it seems obvious at the moment to move Qd6, because she is under threat.
ptitroque 27-Jan-18, 00:21	Why not 17...Qc5 ? creating a menace toward black's kingside.
stalhandske 27-Jan-18, 01:50	Brief analysis 1) We will have to move our queen because it is under attack and no other move helps 2) The queen can be moved to 6 different positions, of which Qb4 and Qd8 are out of the question, so 4 positions left to be analysed: a) Qf7 b) Qe8 c) Qd6 d) Qc5 My first-hand analysis says that they are all defendable moves. I prefer c) out of these four because it attacks the white knight (a and b do not), and because it gives support to the weak pawn at e6 (d does not, and induces white to play Nd4 attacking our weak pawn, which we must support then by a rook losing some momentum)
nambam 27-Jan-18, 03:55	after a bottle of lager and 6 pickle onions, Qd6 seems the logical move. i so vote, burp,exscuse me Qd6
stalhandske 27-Jan-18, 08:26	I'd very much like to hear Cyrano's opinion at this critical stage.
riaannieman 27-Jan-18, 09:02	Stal, I think even Master Cyrano will agree to the next single move, but it is the sequence after that that we carefully need to consider. I think we can lose the game within two moves after the next, if we decide on the wrong direction to take. I went to 5imon's profile to pick up the game there, and did a long analysis on the game from there, when I realized that something is wrong. Can somebody please post a link to the game for me? I unpacked all four my chess sets again and I am ready to look at our options.
5imon 27-Jan-18, 09:23	Riaan The current position is as follows: The game is a few moves behind because Martin has been in hospital game It is missing 16.f4 Ned7 17. Nxc6. We'll get it caught up again once Martin is back.
stalhandske 27-Jan-18, 09:23	Riaan You cannot use the official game at 5imon's profile because ipsissimus has been sick and he is the only one who can make moves of the opposition. So, you must instead build up the position from this thread.
riaannieman 27-Jan-18, 09:27	Oops! Sorry! I didn't know about that. I sincerely hope he is ok.
5imon 27-Jan-18, 09:38	From having looked at the position so far, I have a feeling that Qc5 might be the strongest, forcing the knight back to d4 instead of e5. Yes, the pawn on e6 is weak and attacked by the knight but we could try something like 17...Qc5 18. Nd4 Rac8 and white cannot play 19.Nxe6 immediately. Qd6 feels a bit as though the queen is restricted and it would be better for a different piece to guard the pawn. I'll give this all some more thought tonight.
cyrano 27-Jan-18, 11:18	To Stal You wrote The queen can be moved to 6 different positions, of which Qb4 and Qd8 are out of the question, so 4 positions left to be analysed: a) Qf7 b) Qe8 c) Qd6 d) Qc5 But my first evaluations are not so clear a) after 1...Qf7 2.g4! White looks clearly better b) 1...Qe8 is interesting but 2.Nb4 Bb7 3.cxd5 looks dangerous. Maybe 3...Nc5!? can hold? c) 1...Qd6 2.Ne5 ... and now? c1) 2...Tac8 3.g4! clear advantage for White c2) 2...Ne4 3.Bxe4! d) 1,,,Qc5 2.Nd4 Rae8 3.a4! and White is better Please note: in all variations the knight in d7 is misplaced I'm trying to understand which line is the lesser evil
cyrano 27-Jan-18, 11:27	to 5imon after 17...Qc5 18. Nd4 Rac8 white cannot play 19.Nxe6 immediately BUT after 19.Re1 Black is in deep trouble
nambam 27-Jan-18, 18:24	i all lines are problematic. we took the wrong track very early. but Qd6 is the best we can do. in reply to 2,ne5,Bc8 and see what happens. the only possible alternative seems to me to the Q to e8, but i am uncertain of where it could go.
stalhandske 27-Jan-18, 21:54	To Cyrano <c) 1...Qd6 2.Ne5 ... and now? c1) 2...Tac8 3.g4! clear advantage for White c2) 2...Ne4 3.Bxe4!> In my analysis: c) 1. ....Qd6 2. Ne5 c3) 2. ....Rad8! However, it may be that 17. ...Qe8 is more solid than 17. ....Qd6, in view of Cyrano's suggestion above, which I had missed originally. At any rate, it seems to me now that these two moves are the two best options for black.
5imon 28-Jan-18, 14:06	Ok team We need votes. Please could everyone confirm their preference? There were four votes for 17...Qd6 but perhaps these gave changed.
ptitroque 28-Jan-18, 14:47	17... Qd6 is my vote no after the debate
nambam 28-Jan-18, 15:42	i have hada change of heart. Qd8 is now my vote. as cyrano suspects after 1.Qe8 2.Nb4 Bb7 3.cxd5 3. Nc5! holds the fort at least temporarily, althoughi in an end game i think we may be at least a pawn down,but we do have a fighting chance of a draw.
stalhandske 28-Jan-18, 20:07	17. ...Qe8 Likewise with nambam, I change my vote from 17. ...Qd6 to 17. ...Qe8 (which I am sure is nambam's vote, too)
tbre0022 28-Jan-18, 21:24	Qd6 Qd6 is also my vote
nambam 28-Jan-18, 23:48	your right. Qe8 ismy vote.
5imon 29-Jan-18, 02:14	I'm going to go with Qe8 Votes so far 17...Qd6 (ptitroque, tbre0022, riaannieman) 17...Qe8 (nambam, stalhandske, 5imon) We could really do with cyrano's final vote.
riaannieman 29-Jan-18, 08:26	I don't have a preference for either move, and I am looking past our next move to the sequence that could follow. I have considered Qc5 as well, but I think it is risky and we should not try that. I am working on an analysis of what I think could happen and what we should prepare for. I have an idea, and will put it forward later for others to decide if it is good or daft. I first want to see what it could lead to.
tbre0022 30-Jan-18, 04:33	Qd6 I still think that qd6 is the best move 1. ... Qd6 2. Ne5 Rad8 3. Rf2 Bb7 *
5imon 30-Jan-18, 05:36	We need to move very soon At the moment the move will be 17...Qd6 as we're tied and tbre0022 has the highest rating of those who have voted. We could really do with a vote from cyrano.
tbre0022 30-Jan-18, 05:43	We need to move very soon I dont hope highest rating will be the final vote Interesting next move with 2 great players there goes from 17...Qd6 to Qe8 I just thnk in the further game we stand aw little better then Qe8 with Qd6
stalhandske 30-Jan-18, 20:38	Time is over, so I will make the move 17. ...Qd6 new position
riaannieman 01-Feb-18, 03:42	Sorry- I need a break. I'll be back around Valentine's Day to continue. You guys keep it up!
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