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stalhandske 24-Jan-18, 20:41	Illegal wiretapping I don't know the truth here, but I do know that the US government was caught red-handed in tapping into the telephones of foreign politicians (such as Ms. Angela Merkel). I think that was revealed under President Obama's "reign". Is he to be blamed for it. Did he know it was being done?
stalhandske 24-Jan-18, 20:46	softaire <You allow compious posts that are name-calling in the extreme against President Trump. You have not had the balls to confront LS, or DM, or BC about it. The others here are more polite than these guys. At least, fess up that you do not confront them as you do others.> I have pointed out several times that I am against such name-calling. You might have missed these instances, and you have no reason to say that I don't have the balls to confront people who do it. I have directly confronted LS, for example.
stalhandske 24-Jan-18, 21:43	softaire As per your advice, I have now heard the entire interview with Joe diGenova (posted by Winslow above). He clearly has - how should I say this - clear opinions  . Apart from "a clear violation of the law" and "absolutely a crime" when it comes to Director Comey's conclusion about HRC, high DOJ officials violated the law as well in their trials to frame President Trump. Of course there never was anything (about Trump colluding with Russia). Director Comey is "devoid of morality", a "political asassin".... Need I quote more? If you don't see bias in a statement when you see this, then I can only say I am sorry. I am not saying that some of these assumed crimes should not be investigated! I was informed that Mueller was appointed by (mainly) Republicans - now he is suddenly on the "black list".
dmaestro 24-Jan-18, 22:11	Softaire you repeatedly call me a communist and were happy to claim Obama was a Marxist. You only get upset when it’s conservatives and Trump being named. You love every one of Trump’s demeaning insults. Stop the hypocrisy.
stalhandske 24-Jan-18, 22:50	softaire <I am not saying that some of these assumed crimes should not be investigated! I was informed that Mueller was appointed by (mainly) Republicans - now he is suddenly on the "black list".> Is this because you suddenly see that Mueller's research may not after all be fulfilling your wishes?  . What is that called?..........Bias?
lord_shiva 25-Jan-18, 00:38	Stalhandske has directly confronted me multiple times on this. I relented, for a time, until our SG DG referred to our allies as shįthole countries. That pushed me over the edge again. We have never had a president so uniquely unqualified before, and we have had a few real losers. In deference to Stahl's wishes I will refer to pussy grabber from now on as DG, at least until the lowly cur apologizes to Muslims, Mexicans, citizens of shįthōle nations, and the many others he has wronged. President "Peace Prize" never deserved the epithets flung his way, whereas I have treated DG with far greater respect and deference than he deserves.
lord_shiva 25-Jan-18, 00:47	Mueller Republicans are shamelessly undermining our FBI. People cooperate because the agency has a reputation for being straight laced, honest, and above reproach. FBI agents always behave with integrity and decorum. But Republican slime balls are kneecapping the agency in an effort to get criminal charges against DG (president pussy grabber) dismissed. How is it conservatives in so few short years went from hating the Russian leadership and admiring our law enforcement to hating our law enforcement and admiring Putin? DG has somehow infected their minds, and his virus is gnawing away their brains. I am at a loss to explain it. Pays a porn star $130,000 to keep silent about an affair three months after Barron was born, has another affair with a Playboy bunny about the same time, and evangelicals fall all over themselves insisting he should be given a do-over. I somehow doubt Stormy Daniels wants any do-over.
lord_shiva 25-Jan-18, 00:56	Illegal Wiretapping DG lied about being wire tapped. Because this sleazy porn star diddling slime bucket, paper cuspidor of toothless and bloody gummed alcohol-besotted harlots is a liar, first and foremost. I pray to God he keeps his promise to offer sworn testimony to Mueller's grand jury, because he will perjure himself with the first sentence out of his rusted bedpan mouth. If he spends the rest of his life water boarded in a foul sewer pit of a jail cell I will be sad he was not quickly executed for treason.
lord_shiva 25-Jan-18, 00:58	Again Sorry for pulling my punches and not stating more clearly how I really feel. Stalhandske insists I continue being nice to DG, and so I hold back most of my contempt for this lowly cur and utterly despicable wretch.
brigadecommander 25-Jan-18, 01:05	LS Got that right!!!!! i.pinimg.com.
stalhandske 25-Jan-18, 05:26	<Stalhandske insists I continue being nice to DG> I actually do not. May be I have been entirely misunderstood? I just want you guys to leave out the ugly epithets.
softaire 25-Jan-18, 07:19	Stalh "I am not saying that some of these assumed crimes should not be investigated! I was informed that Mueller was appointed by (mainly) Republicans - now he is suddenly on the "black list"." Is this because you suddenly see that Mueller's research may not after all be fulfilling your wishes? What is that called?..........Bias?" ************************************ Suddenly (within the last few weeks), it has become known that top officials in the DOJ and FBI who are key players in the investigation are biased against Trump and have actively been working to exonerate HRC from her scandals and, when Trump won the election, to overturn the results by framing him in a scandal that would get him impeached and removed from office. There is also now known that there is a "secret society" among them with that express purpose. The idea that "Republicans are shamelessly undermining our FBI." is false. The FBI is doing it to itself. "People cooperate because the agency has a reputation for being straight laced, honest, and above reproach. FBI agents always behave with integrity and decorum.". Because that has been true and because it is now becoming evident that it is no longer true, Republicans are sounding the alarm and want the lawlessness to cease.
brigadecommander 25-Jan-18, 07:26	BULL ''Suddenly (within the last few weeks), it has become known that top officials in the DOJ and FBI who are key players in the investigation are biased against Trump and have actively been working to exonerate HRC from her scandals and, when Trump won the election, to overturn the results by framing him in a scandal that would get him impeached and removed from office'' those are the new talking points.But they are lies.Smokescreen. The right wing is running interference for trump..And this is very detrimental to our institutions. As is attacking the free-press. It will NOT work.Sorry. Trumps days are numbered.
softaire 25-Jan-18, 07:35	BC Yes, it would be better for our institution if it turns out to be not true. We do have some evidence of it already, but only time will tell if there is actually more or not. Trumps days are numbered... roughly 2555 days left.
brigadecommander 25-Jan-18, 07:46	Deleted by brigadecommander on 25-Jan-18, 11:59.
chaz- 25-Jan-18, 11:04	softy... ...the 'defections' I was referring to was for George P, Manifort & buddies, and now (possibly) Sessions. I'm not saying there 'is' anything, I'm just saying the possibility of 'something' seems to be elevating.
lord_shiva 25-Jan-18, 11:33	Watergate Revisted Seven members of Nixon's administration were sentenced to prison. One additional member was guilty as sin, but his lawyer collapsed (and later died) and the second council was appointed to the primary position. That young man lodged an incredible "OJ" dream defense, getting his client off. DG's ( 😿 ) administration is going down. More than seven members of his administration will serve time in prison. The two who already plead guilty may be required to serve some time in prison themselves--we will see. Michael Flynn, George P., Paul Manafort, Richard Gates... There will be criminal charges against plenty more before this is all over. And why not prosecute crimes against America? Nixon still has his defenders--IOKIYAR.
ace-of-aces 25-Jan-18, 11:38	Obstruction of Justice Mueller is trying to find out, firing of FBI chief tantamount to obstruction of justice. Comey was investigating Russian collusion by GOPs to defeat HRC. Comey repeatedly told Trump that he was not the suspect. On he other hand, did Trump know and cover up that his men were colluding with Russians ? So far, the evidence is none but if he did such things described below, it will be a criminal act. Comey’s firing And perhaps the misleading public statement about his son Don Jr’s meeting with a Russian lawyer that the president reportedly helped craft This conduct doesn’t exactly match the witness-tampering and evidence-tampering allegations that formed the core of past obstruction of justice impeachment articles, which seemed on its face illegal. “There’s a difference if he did those things: paying off witnesses, telling them to lie, hiding witnesses,” Levenson said. “Then I think you have a very clear case. It’s a less clear case when he’s sort of saying [to law enforcement officials], ‘here are my thoughts.’” Griffin, for one, argues that Trump’s actions aren’t so different. “Associates of Nixon engaged in illegal acts to further Nixon’s interests, and Nixon then pursued a course of conduct designed to impede the investigation into those acts,” she told me. For Trump, she said, there’s “similar evidence of corrupt intent to obstruct an investigation.” Still, it does seem that an obstruction case against Trump would be far easier for Mueller to make, both legally and politically, if evidence of witness- or evidence-tampering emerged.
stalhandske 25-Jan-18, 20:46	softaire <There is also now known that there is a "secret society" among them with that express purpose.> Isn't this yet another conspiration theory? I mean, you say it is KNOWN. Surely, if it is known that society would no longer be secret  .
winslowhightower 25-Jan-18, 20:59	I've been thinking about how to present the evidence for two days now, and I figure that if I spend 2 or 3 hours collecting it all and then posting it here, I will be disregarded by a few posters and nobody will really pay attention to what I show. I brought up this thread because I see some credible threats to democracy in the USA and I suspect that we are going to find out the truth. But I also know that when the verdict is in that there are certain people who will deny the truth. But if and when the truth does come out and justice is served, then opinions won't matter. The truth will be available for all to see. And still some will be unable to see it.
dmaestro 25-Jan-18, 21:06	The “evidence” comes from biases sources with an alarmist agenda. In context you can see it looks more like a joke: www.google.com
stalhandske 25-Jan-18, 21:09	Winslow I appreciate your point. These are difficult matters. For me it is very clear that if there are indications of a crime, it should be investigated. But in order for the democratic system to work, that investigation should be done by the authorities. Of course, investigations can be done by others, too, I don't deny that. My point is that in America you seem to have a different view about what is "evidence". An email here and a document there, and/or "firm statements" by some "authorities" in a TV programme - those are not "evidence" the way I see it. I wasn't sure about what you were intending to present evidence about, but I'd like to ask you this: If it is about wrongdoings, even suspected crimes, by some American politician, do you REALLY think that you have the capacity to find true evidence that has not been found by professionals?
winslowhightower 25-Jan-18, 21:10	In context, it looks more like a group of high-level intelligence officials working against a duly elected president.
winslowhightower 25-Jan-18, 21:13	Stal we see that even congressional intel committees are giving difficulty gathering the facts. Although, today we did see that the missing text messages were recovered. So, that is good news.
stalhandske 25-Jan-18, 21:16	<In context, it looks more like a group of high-level intelligence officials working against a duly elected president.> That is a very complicated accusation. Why would they do that in the first place? And group together like that? And at an extreme possibility: should not potential/possible/alleged crimes by an elected president be investigated? I am not saying that they do - you are saying that.
winslowhightower 25-Jan-18, 21:18	www.judiciary.senate.gov
winslowhightower 25-Jan-18, 21:24	I really don't want to spend the time trying to convince people who despise Trump with every ounce of their being. But, look more deeply into the Donald Jr meeting. Who did he meet with? I'd tell you the answers, but I want you to find this out through your own research. If you don't want to search, then you will just have to pick a side based on what makes you feel good.
mo-oneandmore 25-Jan-18, 21:24	winslow "It looks as if there may have been a conspiracy to clear Hillary Clinton of any wrongdoing and frame Trump for Russian collusion. " That's conspiracy theory garbage that has zero merit. Where did you hear that --- from Limbaugh or one of those other far/alt right nut cases?
mo-oneandmore 25-Jan-18, 21:27	brig "BULL!" Thank's hon. Anybody else would have been banned from gameknot for life.   Mo
mo-oneandmore 25-Jan-18, 21:31	soft "Since 90% of the media is biased against Trump, that side of the story needs to be told by somebody, somehow. Wouldn't you rather hear BOTH sides" I don't mind hearing from both sides as long as it's not bullshit. Oh, yea: You're a conspiracy theorist, right hon? Mo
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