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 What Groper Republicans Do Not UnderstandThe reason this argument has any traction is because if the takes were turned they would have immediately abandoned any effort at fairness and would have screamed bloody murder. |
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Laura Ingraham "Shut up and dribble." If LeBron had expressed his love and admiration of Comrade Groper, you can be sure Laura would have applauded him instead of attacking him. |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 21:08 |
BC, Zorro and easy-win <I just read this statement coming from you. It does not offend me, but it certainly surprised me.> I think you have misread my post in your ardour to only emphasise the negative sides of President Trump. 1) I said: "whatever negative sides he has shown" 2) Do I really need to remind you that Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Napoleon, Reagan, Ceausescu, etc etc were all great patriots? |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 21:10 |
Shiva I am quite sure that your sharp and often incisive points would come out just as well without them, in fact they would look much stronger without that obvious bias. |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 21:29 |
BC <What IS interesting now is to find out whether DJT et al. colluded with the Russians about it. You know, I actually don't think he did. Why? Because, whatever negative sides he has shown, he seems to me to be genuinely patriotic, perhaps more so than many. If I am right, there of course remains the possiblity that it may be one or more of his "supporters" that have done the collusion.> |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 21:47 |
JCC on a bicycle. It seems that you did not even think about what I wrote, and about what it means, or my comment above directed at you, Zorro and easy-win. I said absolutely NOTHING that would not be compatible with my quote above from your post - did I? Did I not give examples of historical people, some of which you probably also consider to have been scoundrels, but wo all were very clear patriots? If there is ANYTHING I can advise you about, it would be to emphasise that you should read comments more carefully and with more thought before you fire off a reply - just a frank remark back to a Friend! |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 23:11 |
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stal Perhaps when you are talking about the people that were very patriotic, you interpret the definition of patriot ls a person that loves to be in charge of a country, and does whatever he wants, like Hitler etc etc, The only one I did not disagree with is ex president Ronald Raegan. The definition of a true patriot in my language, and in fact the dictionary that I have, reads: "Having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country." Here my only opposition to the dictionary is the word, expressing, This to me means that a person will say he or she loves this country, which anyone that can speak is capable of saying, without meaning it. My interpretation, understanding, and acceptable to me is what a person earnestly feels in the mind, and the heart. A president that is a true patriot does not cater only to the rich, or those that belong to the race of which he is a part of. A president who is patriotic will try to do what is best for the people in his country, and not use words, or actions that will show that he wants to divide the country. What we have in trump is just that, he is prejudiced against dark skin, and does not care if anyone knows it. During WWII, the soldiers in battle were fighting for the country and it did not matter what color or difference in culture they had, during wartime, everybody who went to war and fought for this country were true patriots trump did not want to serve in the military, he used some lame excuse to exempt himself from doing his part in the defense of this country. If trump was a true patriot, he would pay taxes just like every American worker has done and is doing, without finding loopholes and lawyers to keep from supporting this country.. Now perhaps you may believe I am using incisive points, or epithets in referring to trump, then perhaps you may believe it is fair to chastise me for describing trump, it is not my intent, I am only identifying what I can see. It is not a false, or untrue way of showing what he himself exhibits without shame. |
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BC : about discussions methods I won't speak about inner US problems (I could be considered as not legitimate) but for me, this leader is dangerous for the whole planet : for peace, environment, increasing wealth gap, example it gives to the other countries. But I do not think that invective is efficient, nor cancelling their posts, particularly in a club like this one. Patriot is a quality for you, so that you deny it to D Trump - maybe you're right - but this won't change others' opinions (the conservatives' diatribes won't make me change either ). You're intelligent and able to reason. Those are more efficient weapons. |
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stalhandske 19-Feb-18, 02:50 |
easy-win Here my only opposition to the dictionary is the word, expressing, This to me means that a person will say he or she loves this country, which anyone that can speak is capable of saying, without meaning it. > Thank you for your comment on this. I think you have forgotten yet another possibility: A person who says he loves his country, and actually means it, but whose ideas of it are misdirected (sometimes grossly misdirected). No problem, Julio, BC also did not understand the full meaning of "patriot". |
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Possibly both, it’s actually tricky to define I think, and this appears to be causing a problem. |
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stalhandske 19-Feb-18, 05:09 |
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Nationalism ? Patriotism ? easy win : "Patriotism : "Having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country." The slogan "America first" clearly enters in your definition of patriotism. Whether it's sincere or not is another matter. (In every country, the political leaders make great speeches of patriotism. I've often asked myself if they are sincere). easy win : "Trump did not want to serve in the military, he used some lame excuse to exempt himself from doing his part in the defense of this country," is an indication that he might, indeed, not be sincere. |
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