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elyhim 14-Dec-17, 11:24	@Easy-win Black will not play either Ne5 or Ng4. It is not wise to begin an attack with more than half your army is yet to be touched. This subtlety, distinguishes master class player from all others. Our advantage, lays behind our advanced pawn wall on the queen side and soon strongly placed pieces. Also our forces are going to be superior to black's because they will struggle to make room for their pieces. They are playing for a draw and no more. Whereas, we have winning chances with a possibility of a draw. In other words, it is our game to lose!
ipsissimus 14-Dec-17, 20:02	7...Qe7 has been played has peen played. This was expected. The current position is: game Martin
clashofpawns 14-Dec-17, 22:23	I vote for e3
the-sigularity 14-Dec-17, 22:39	I vote for e3 I think it has good possibilities for future attack.
ipsissimus 15-Dec-17, 21:53	ChessBase says but I vote e3 The top three moves are: Move------------Games-------------Score %-----------Often played by Bb2--------------1996---------------53.7----------------Fabiano Caruana a4-----------------765---------------55.8----------------Maxime Vachier- Lagrave, Fabiano Caruana Nf3----------------425-----------------61----------------Vishy Anand, Vladimir Akopian I have taken out the last year played field because all these moves were played during 2017. The e3 move is in the database. It does have a good winning rate of 61% but it's only been played 13 times. This move is liked by GM Faruk Bistric the Macedonian Grandmaster. In spite of the above data I am nevertheless going to support e3. I have tried to analyze and have come to the conclusion that it is the strongest move. Martin
canuktuff 16-Dec-17, 10:44	A4 for some reason i failed again to see the idea behind e3 ? white is looking to place Bishop on b2 which is good to carry on ...also a4 is not bad either black may follow a5 or 0-0 then we place bishop on a3 ..Ne5 was suggested too and also its ok move .
redfoxrising 16-Dec-17, 15:45	e3 seems to be best I cast my suggested vote as e3
dmaestro 16-Dec-17, 20:47	It’s a solid move let’s try e3.
elyhim 16-Dec-17, 20:55	My vote is to abstain
the-sigularity 16-Dec-17, 21:40	a4 Is also a very good option, in my opinion, but I think it involves some intricacies that are difficult for most of us to see. If there are more votes for that, I will change my vote. It is worth looking into..
ipsissimus 16-Dec-17, 23:47	Votes so far e3 Clash Easy Ipsi redfox dmaestro a4 canuktuff abstain elyhim We are missing deepthough. I will move 8.e3. The below is meant for Easy but might be helpful to others as well: The purpose of A4 Is to facilitate the exchange of Blacks DSB. The reason we want to do this is because black has weakened his dark squares by placing many pawns on light squares. Note that our Rook would now be available for support if we played Ba3. The disadvantage of this move is that it weakens our own dark squares and specifically the b4 square. Nevertheless if we have an opportunity to exchange Blacks DSB we should. The a4 move also seeks to inhibit a possible black attack on our queen inside which is one of our strengths. Your comments are invited. Martin
ipsissimus 16-Dec-17, 23:55	We have moved 8.e3 The current position is: game Martin
clashofpawns 17-Dec-17, 00:19	conditionals (8..b6)->(9. a4) {I've examined 9. Ne5 and found it worse} (8..O-O)->(9. Nc3) {I've examined 9. Bb2 and found it worse} I can elaborate if need be when the time comes.
ipsissimus 17-Dec-17, 04:23	8...0-0 is the move that black is likely to play. The move that occurs most often in ChessBase is 9.Bb2. I do have to say that there are not many examples because this is not a popular continuation again the Dutch. Below I present the game where 9.Bb2 was played: [Event "EU-Cup 31st"] [Site "Skopje"] [Date "2015.10.20"] [Round "3.5"] [White "Sasikiran, Krishnan"] [Black "Kaganskiy, Gleb"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "A90"] [WhiteElo "2639"] [BlackElo "2229"] [PlyCount "183"] [EventDate "2015.10.18"] [EventType "team-swiss"] [EventRounds "7"] [EventCountry "MKD"] [SourceTitle "CBM 169"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2015.11.10"] [SourceVersion "1"] [SourceVersionDate "2015.11.10"] [SourceQuality "1"] [WhiteTeam "Novy Bor"] [BlackTeam "Rishon Le Zion"] [WhiteTeamCountry "CZE"] [BlackTeamCountry "ISR"] 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c6 4. e3 f5 5. b3 Nf6 6. g3 Bd6 7. Bg2 O-O 8. O-O Qe7 9. Bb2 b6 10. Ne5 Bb7 11. Nd2 Nbd7 12. Qe2 Ne4 13. Rac1 Nxd2 14. Qxd2 Nxe5 15. dxe5 Bc5 16. Qc2 Rfd8 17. Rfd1 Rac8 18. h4 Rd7 19. Bf1 g5 20. hxg5 Qxg5 21. b4 Bf8 22. c5 a5 23. a3 axb4 24. axb4 bxc5 25. bxc5 Rb8 26. Be2 Bc8 27. Kg2 Rg7 28. Rh1 Bd7 29. Rh5 Qe7 30. Bd4 Be8 31. Rh3 Bg6 32. Bh5 Bxh5 33. Rxh5 Rb5 34. Rch1 Qa7 35. Rh6 Re7 36. Rf6 Qd7 37. Qe2 Qe8 38. Qf3 Rg7 39. Ra1 Rbb7 40. Rh1 Rb5 41. Rfh6 Rgb7 42. R6h4 Rg7 43. Rc1 Be7 44. Rh6 Bf8 45. Rh3 Qg6 46. Rhh1 Rgb7 47. Ra1 Bxc5 48. Rhc1 Bf8 49. Rxc6 Rb1 50. Rc1 Rxc1 51. Rxc1 Qg4 52. Qd1 Qxd1 53. Rxd1 Kf7 54. Rc1 Be7 55. Rc8 Bf8 56. Bc5 Bxc5 57. Rxc5 Rd7 58. Kh3 Ra7 59. Rc8 Rd7 60. Ra8 Kg7 61. Re8 Kf7 62. Rh8 Kg7 63. Ra8 Kf7 64. Kh4 Kg6 65. Rf8 Re7 66. Rf6+ Kg7 67. Kh3 Re8 68. Kg2 Re7 69. Kf3 Re8 70. Ke2 Re7 71. Kd3 Re8 72. Kd4 h5 73. Kd3 Re7 74. Ke2 Re8 75. Kf3 Re7 76. Kg2 Re8 77. Kh3 Re7 78. Kh4 Re8 79. Kg5 Re7 80. Kxh5 Re8 81. Kg5 Re7 82. Kf4 Re8 83. Kf3 Re7 84. Ke2 Re8 85. Kd3 Re7 86. Kd4 Re8 87. Kc5 Rc8+ 88. Kd6 Rc2 89. f4 Rc3 90. Kxe6 Rxe3 91. Kxf5 Rxg3 92. Rd6 1-0 Now I present a game where Nc3 was played: [Event "Opatija ZNG111 4th"] [Site "Opatija"] [Date "2002.10.04"] [Round "1"] [White "Bistric, Faruk"] [Black "Topalovic, Zlatko"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "A90"] [WhiteElo "2484"] [BlackElo "2272"] [PlyCount "32"] [EventDate "2002.10.04"] [EventType "tourn"] [EventRounds "11"] [EventCountry "CRO"] [EventCategory "4"] [SourceTitle "CBM 090 Extra"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2002.11.07"] [SourceVersion "1"] [SourceVersionDate "2002.11.07"] [SourceQuality "1"] 1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c6 3. Bg2 e6 4. O-O f5 5. d4 Nf6 6. c4 Bd6 7. b3 Qe7 8. e3 O-O 9. Nc3 Bd7 10. Ne2 Be8 11. Bb2 Bh5 12. Nf4 Bxf3 13. Bxf3 Nbd7 14. Qc2 g5 15. Nd3 g4 16. Bg2 Ne4 1/2-1/2 And finally a game where a4 was played: [Event "Dos Hermanas Internet qual-A 10th"] [Site "ICC INT"] [Date "2009.03.13"] [Round "4"] [White "Iturrizaga Bonelli, Eduardo"] [Black "Akselrod, Vladislav"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "A84"] [WhiteElo "2528"] [BlackElo "2446"] [PlyCount "97"] [EventDate "2009.03.13"] [EventType "swiss (blitz)"] [EventRounds "12"] [EventCountry "ESP"] [SourceTitle "CBM 129 Extra"] [Source "ChessBase"] [SourceDate "2009.05.05"] [SourceVersion "2"] [SourceVersionDate "2009.05.20"] [SourceQuality "1"] 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. c4 e6 4. e3 f5 5. g3 Nf6 6. b3 Bd6 7. Bg2 O-O 8. O-O Qe7 9. a4 Ne4 10. Ba3 Bxa3 11. Nxa3 Nd7 12. Nc2 b6 13. Nce1 a5 14. Nd3 Ba6 15. Nde5 Rac8 16. Qd3 Nxe5 17. Nxe5 Rfd8 18. Rfc1 c5 19. Qd1 dxc4 20. bxc4 f4 21. Bxe4 cxd4 22. exd4 Qg5 23. Bg2 h5 24. Nf3 Qf6 25. Qb3 Bb7 26. Qxb6 Bxf3 27. Bxf3 fxg3 28. hxg3 Qxf3 29. Qxe6+ Kh8 30. Qe3 Qf6 31. d5 Re8 32. Qf4 Qb2 33. Rab1 Qa2 34. Qd4 Qa3 35. d6 Red8 36. c5 Rd7 37. Rc3 Qa2 38. Re1 Rcd8 39. c6 Rxd6 40. Qxd6 Rxd6 41. c7 Qd2 42. c8=Q+ Kh7 43. Qf5+ g6 44. Re7+ Kh6 45. Qf8+ Kg5 46. Rc5+ Kg4 47. Re4+ Kh3 48. Qf5+ gxf5 49. Rh4# 1-0 There are of course other moves that we could examine but this covers the main ones. You should note that the only game were lower rated player manages a draw is the game where 9.Nc3 was played but this is a short game so this result may be a little bit suspect. Martin
the-sigularity 17-Dec-17, 15:26	Martin What I saw is that with a4, white could control the a3 squares with three pieces, the knight, the bishop, and the rook, which is a good leverage in my opinion.
ipsissimus 18-Dec-17, 00:44	Row has played 8…0-0 this was expected. What we have to keep in mind is that black has a weak square complex on the dark squares. This is because he has placed so many pawns on light colored squares. Our goal then becomes to exchange his DSB which further weakens his dark squares. The move a4 is certainly playable but it creates our own weak square complex on our own dark squares. The square that is especially bad is b4. We have to worry that he may place a Knight on this square by playing Na6. We would then be able to dislodge the knight by exchanging our own DSB for his Knight and the advantage from all this would go to black. My opinion is that the a4 move should be delayed for now. The moves that are most often played (ChessBase) are 9.Bb2 and also 9.a4. There are not many instances of these moves and we will soon be out of the book. GM Faruk Bistric who has played this line more than anyone else likes 9.Nc3. The current position is: Whitr to move. game Martin
clashofpawns 18-Dec-17, 01:31	Nc3 is my vote. I agree that a4, if we play it all, should be delayed.
ipsissimus 20-Dec-17, 07:13	I vote Nc3 Votes so far: a4 easy Nc3 clash ipsi We need votes from many people. Martin
canuktuff 20-Dec-17, 07:55	Nc3 i vote Nc3 ,but its worth to mention that black position is very solid from this opening ! and b6 followed by Bb7 and probably Rc8 after and he is ready to initiate the game play !
the-sigularity 20-Dec-17, 08:54	Change my vote to Nc3 Since there seems to be no major support for a4, then we should all agree to one vote so we can move on.
redfoxrising 20-Dec-17, 18:33	Nc3 is my vote also
ipsissimus 20-Dec-17, 20:49	Nc3 Votes so far: Nc3 clash ipsi easy Canuktuff redfox We need votes from: ace-of-aces elyhim deepthough dmaestro Martin
ipsissimus 20-Dec-17, 22:50	We have a majority for Nc3 We have 2 days 1 hour left. I will wait until tomorrow before I make this move. Martin
ipsissimus 21-Dec-17, 22:03	We have played 9.Nc3 The current position is: RoW to move game Martin
ace-of-aces 26-Dec-17, 06:39	I will vote 10. Bb2 after Black's 9...b6.
ipsissimus 26-Dec-17, 23:41	RoW has played 9...b6 The current position is: game Martin
clashofpawns 27-Dec-17, 05:02	Ten Bishop to b two is the move here.
the-sigularity 27-Dec-17, 08:38	Vote 10.Bb2 To fianchetto the bishop, at the a1 h2 diagonal to take aim at the g7 pawn.
ipsissimus 28-Dec-17, 22:16	I Vote 10.Bb2 We have other players. Please vote! We have some time because 5imon has postponed this game but the sooner we get everyone's vote in and move the better. Martin
dmaestro 29-Dec-17, 00:57	Bb2 works for me
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