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 Are Republican voters the stupid ones ?Special counsel Mueller investigation indicted 13 Russians for interfering with the 2016 presidential elections for derogatory remarks and slandering HRC so that Trump could win. There is no question that Russians interfere with our political system but IMHO, the interference is not one way traffic but two way traffic. They interfere with both GOP and Democrat by feeding fake or false information so that our nation will be divided and weakened. When US is divided and weakened it will be a less threat and harm to Putin's Russia. Having said that my point and question is, " Could the Russian interference decide the outcome of presidential election, in favor of Trump." IMHO, I don't think so unless all the Republican voters are very stupid and are very naïve, ignorant who cannot distinguish between right and wrong. Moreover, luck also played a significant part for Trump's win by electoral vote over popular vote system. |
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ace of aces The result of elections in most of the democratic countries is so tight that one doesn't need that all the voters are stupid or naïve. 1 or 2 percent is enough to change the final result. |
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dmaestro 16-Feb-18, 15:07 |
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ace-of-aces Republicans know, and knew about the Russian involvement, that is the reason the people involved in collusion have been exposed by the FBI, in their investigation, and that is the reason trump fired James Comey, and wants the investigation to be discontinued, because he does not want the truth to come out. He was also contemplating firing Robert Mueller, but his people advised him against doing so, because that would indicate undoubtedly that he is concealing the truth, and obstructing justice. So another ploy that was used was to try to discredit the FBI investigation, which has now shown to be just another way of trying to evade good evidence. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the first place, the Republican voters may have all voted for trump, but their votes, like the Democratic vote, which were approximately three million more, did not put trump in the white house. I have written this many, many times, but I suppose when I write something it is probably ignored by those who see me as insignificant, or unintelligent. But that is the truth, trump was put in the white house by the electoral college vote system, which is not only illegal, but outrageous. I would not say Republican voters are stupid, naïve, or ignorant, but only human and as such, did not vote for Hillary. As for trump not knowing what was happening during his campaign, I cannot swallow that. He posed in a picture smiling, and shaking his hand, and was trying to convince the American people that he was our friend, something that I, as most Americans, regard a not true. The Russians have been our adversaries, if not enemies, since after the second world war, but some of our citizens either have a short memory, or are not familiar with history. Electoral college vote, is not luck, as you call it, it is a convenient system that politicians use to get what they want. The people have been gypped of the right to elect who we want since the politicians decided to change the intended purpose of the preamble which is the introduction, and important part of the constitution; "Secure the blessings of liberty" We the people are not free to choose the president, that is negated by those in government who have deprived us of our right to chose by popular vote, a candidate that we want as president. Some may try to construe this opinion as a rebellion against our government, but those people in government are not elected to be our masters, they are elected to be our servants, to do what is best for the people in this country. Yet, they continue to do their will, to do what benefits them the most, and with a plain and shamelessly disregard for us. That is the reason for the division that we see now, not that we are republicans against democrats, because we are all Americans, but the division is being caused by the way we are forced to accept whatever they choose. If we were allowed to choose a president, then we would have to be content with whoever we would get for president because it would then be done in a democratic procedure, and whether it would turn out to be republican or democratic it would be the will of the majority, and we would have no one to blame because that would be a true democracy, as opposed to what we have now. As a last note, trump is not doing the will of the people, he is doing the will of trump. He does not care whether Obama did something good for the people but is more concerned about opposing whatever Obama did, he is like a sick man, who is driven by the egotistical impulse of making himself known as more powerful than Obama, even if it is not right. He signed a bill that Obama had made into law, that the mentally disturbed people not be allowed to purchase a weapon, and now anyone can purchase a weapon, regardless of whether or not there is a question of mental disability. The people at the white house, knowing this is wrong, do not want his picture publicized and showing him signing the that bill. |
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Mental health issues on gun violence. |
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Electoral vote system. |
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When it was decided Thomas Jefferson was the first one that was opposed to the preamble, and wanted to dhange it. They said the voters were not intelliigent enough to decide who was the best person to run a country, so they took it upon themselves to make it their business to select the president. George Washington warned about the evils of a two party system. |
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Ptit is correct here: The needed count of stupid, idiot Republicans, racists, bigots and border liners the Russians needed to turn was minimal. |
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stalhandske 17-Feb-18, 06:52 |
You know, I actually don't think he did. Why? Because, whatever negative sides he has shown, he seems to me to be genuinely patriotic, perhaps more so than many. If I am right, there of course remains the possiblity that it may be one or more of his "supporters" that have done the collusion. As I said - it will be very interesting to see. I have no doubt that Mueller will do a great job at this. |
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stalhandske 17-Feb-18, 06:53 |
....and yes... |
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www.msn.com @BernieSanders It has been clear to everyone (except Donald Trump) that Russia was deeply involved in the 2016 election and intends to be involved in 2018. It is the American people who should be deciding the political future of our country, not Mr. Putin and the Russian oligarchs. Bernie Sanders ✔ @BernieSanders It is absolutely imperative that the Mueller investigation be allowed to go forward without obstruction from the Trump administration or Congress. 2:23 PM - Feb 16, 2018 5,774 1,280 people are talking about this |
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stalh Me- I cannot believe you wrote this.I cannot believe after all the discussions in this and other clubs,you can make such a naive statement. I am bewildered and deeply disappointed. I am sorry.... BC |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 07:36 |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 07:42 |
Z Instead of insulting, you might try to explain why my feeling is erroneous. That is what these discussions are all about - no? |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 08:19 |
I suggest that you sit down and think just a little further about what I said - and what I did not say. |
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also, while whether or not any one person took part is a something to look at, it sounds like this effort to influence would have had whatever effect it had regardless. If both issues are not interesting, they are certainly concerning. large numbers of Americans acting on what they believe are the views of other Americans but which are actually the clever manipulations by non-Americans is concerning. some influential memes www.google.com |
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ptitroque 18-Feb-18, 08:30 |
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Patriotism ? wikipedia : "Patriotism is the ideology of attachment to a homeland. This attachment can be a combination of many different features relating to one's own homeland, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects. It encompasses a set of concepts closely related to those of nationalism.[1][2][3] An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism" Shouting "America first" is patriot. I suppose that building a wall to protect à frontier can be considered as patriot. Developing at all price the US economy without carrying about the rest of the world (climatic consequences) could be considered as patriot (although climate change also affects USA) If one consider USA as a Christian nation founded by armed White skinned people, I suppose that Trump policy is highly patriot. But for me, being patriot is not necessarily a quality. |
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stalhandske 18-Feb-18, 08:34 |
There, you see, BC and Zorro, that is what I find to be a truly liberal view. Fresh, accurate, on the point, and without unnecessary bias! |
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Stupid Republicans The primary Russian objective was to undermine confidence in our federal institutions, and Comrade Groper's lying Twit stream has succeeded at this. His most recent Twit stream reminds me of a Russian prostitute golden shower. |
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Balancing Patriotism with Wisdom Pure patriotism, like pure alcohol, is toxic in sufficiently large quantities. |
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30% of ALL Americans Frighteningly high. I just hope Florida high school students can sustain a movement against the rapacious idiocy of the Dotard Groper. |
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Last Mass Shooting Even if congress can pass decent legislation, Groper will veto it, as to let it stand would cut off Russian rubles flowing through the NRA. Groper cannot keep students safe. He cannot keep America safe. And it is sick hearing Alex Jones spew right wing idiocy that this atrocity never occurred but is just a liberal plot to confiscate all our guns. |
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I would like a precision, please. |
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dmaestro 18-Feb-18, 10:36 |
Trump’s support among Republicans is moving up; 85% may be low. Trump IS the Republican Party. America might as well be two hostile countries. |
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dmaestro 18-Feb-18, 10:45 |
The Republicans agree with Trump on issues no doubt about it. |
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stal I just read this statement coming from you. It does not offend me, but it certainly surprised me. Why? Because trump does not bother to hide his lies, or turn abouts. trump will tell people, (especially those who listen to him with devotion) whatever he thinks they want to hear. This is the reason he used the term, shit holes, because it not only makes him feel superior, but he knows those people that I indicated just before, will agree with him with earnest passion. He does not care, what people that do not support him think, what for? Since he knows we already know what he thinks,(or at least most of us) Patriotism is something you feel in your heart, not shouting words, like AMERICA FIRST!!!! or "I WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" How can a person that is patriotic, stand in front of all the American people and shake the hand of a leader that is known to harbor animosity towards this country that he is supposed to love????? Obama condemned the Russian involvement with meddling in our affairs, and trump reversed that, and anything else that Obama has done, whether or not it is good for the people. The reason he does these things, is to please the white radicals that have the mindset of white supremacy. And it pleases him also, because he knows that Obama is black, and many white people do not like black people. trump will never be patriotic, sincere, or loyal, to anyone but himself. Here, I certainly do not want to impress that all white people are racist, only some that believe that they are better that all others. That was one of the psychological schemes that Adolph Hitler used to gain the absolute approval of all the German people. (Hitler was not German) What I have written here, is not only my opinion, it is the bare and incontrovertible truth........I do not need to prove that, trump has done it, and is doing it himself, over, and over, and over. He cannot help it, and because of the way he feels he cannot hide it. |
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