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Here is an interesting game, and this is based on chicoboy's game against the opponent, for those that haven't seen the annotation. In this position, black for a while has been a pawn ahead. So, in this position, black just gave white an opportunity to recapture. The question is, should white take with cxd5. Note: This is a quiz.
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tux-fine
31-Mar-14, 11:44
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No white should not.
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That's correct because if he did that, black would respond with ...Nxd5, after which black wins a R, at the very least, no matter what else white plays.
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Here is the most recent quiz from GM Judit Polgar. Normally, I'd post these things in the playing with the positions because you just have to move the pieces to see for yourself. But, this is harder then that, so it requires even more studying. This was based on an endgame between GM's Svilder and former world champion, Anand. Now, Svilder is white and Anand is black. In this particular position both players agreed to a draw. However, there is one way that white could've won. What is the winning move, and how does it win? Note: It will take more time then usual to come up with the answer.
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tux-fine
05-Apr-14, 06:30
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1. h7 Kg7
2. h8=Q+ Kxh8
3. f6 Kh7
4. Kxd4 Kg6
5. Ke5
White clearly wins!
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@tux-fine
Sorry, I missed your answer earlier, and 1.h7 is similar to what I originally thought for the same reason. But, it's not the solution.
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tux-fine
07-Apr-14, 06:47
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I cant see why it's not the solution??!!
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The solution is much more complicated then it looks. And, at one point, I would've agreed, and several people also voted 1.h7, for pretty much, the same reason. But, this time, unlike before, most of them did not get it right. That shows how complex and difficult the position really is.
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tux-fine
07-Apr-14, 11:01
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What about Kxd4?
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Yes, that is the solution. As after that comes 1...Nb5 2.Kc5, Na7 3.Kb6, Nc8 4.Nc7, Ne7 5.h7, Kg7 6.f6. And, if instead of ...Ne7, black played 4...Na7 then 5.h7, Kg7 6.f6, Kh7 7.Kd7 Either way, after all is said done, white automatically promotes his f pawn, and there's no way for black to stop it.
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I have another quiz, and this one is based on an endgame between me and Jack Stockel. This time, I was black, and he was white. Earlier in the game, I wound up making blunders, ultimately losing two pawns. Then, later on, I found some good moves to compensate, winning two pieces and a pawn, in exchange. Later, I sacked two pawns to achieve a position like this. Now, black has a won game, but he has to think in order to keep his advantage. Otherwise, he will turn that win into a loss, so it's not as easy, as it looks. So, how can black keep the advantage and win?
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tux-fine
14-Apr-14, 11:24
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Black to play??
I see:
... Qh4+
2. Qxh4 Rxh4
3. Rxg2 Rxh7
Andrie
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bigpeta
14-Apr-14, 12:35
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joe's quiz
key move is Qe4+ then follows Kd1 (forced) g1=Q RxQ Qe7+ Kc1 Qxc2#
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You two are both very close, but it's not quite Qe4+. However, I know why you guessed it and normally, these guesses are correct. The only thing I didn't remember was if, the Q's were there or exchanged. Now, that I remember, the Q's were exchanged early in the game. So, the position looked more like this.
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So, based on my last diagram, can you find the winning move?
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I'm no expert, but what about Rxb2?
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bigpeta
18-Apr-14, 01:01
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joes quiz
key moves are Re5+ followed by Reh5 and Kf8
Re5+ moves the K further behind the pawns thus restricting his moves and distancing him from blacks R & pawn.
Reh5 means the white h pan is captured
Kf8 allows Rg7 protecting the g pawn.
So the g pawn will now Q and then its standard Q & R mate
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@bigpeta: Almost. And, your idea is very good. However, it's not quite. There was one different, but unusual and unlikely move that black made which automatically guaranteed the win. @joveyboy1: In this position, 1...Rxb2 is not feasible. Did you mean 1...Rxb6 or 1...Rxh7
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bigpeta
18-Apr-14, 14:03
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what board are you using??
Of course Rxb2 is feasible. Rxb6 is black taking his own pawn!!!!
and i stand by Rxe5+ as the best option for black.
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Yeah, jkarp confused me by saying Rxb6. lol, Rxh7 will not work either because then white would simply play Rxg2, so no advantage gained for either side.
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@bigpeta: You're right, and somehow, I looked at it the wrong way. Oh yes, that happened because I was under a time crunch today which the typical side effect for me, nowadays, is looking at the board the wrong way. @joveyboy1: 1...Rxb2 does not work. And, this is a blunder that I almost made in the game. 1...Rxb2 white would instantly responds with 2.Rxg2, and black cannot then recapture the R, as white would promote. And, although a good answer is, as you put it, Rxe5+, it's not the solution. Note: the solution here, is a move that black did play, in what was won instantly. But, black did not capture on capture on e5.
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saintinsanity
18-Apr-14, 19:58
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I've been looking at the board the wrong way too
My life is too complicated. I want to simplify things and pay more attention to the things I love, like chess. But, more importantly, I want to pay LESS attention to other things that are not only a waste of time, but actually reduce the quality and possibly the length of life.
It seems like it should all be so simple, but it's not.
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Nothing is so simple, but I agree. And, as implied the solution looks so obvious, but it's actually more complicated then it appears. But, one thing about to chess and how to improve is by remembering that, "it's not so easy". One really must look into the position.
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Very true. It never is easy. I looked long and hard at this puzzle to see what the best move was, but I still didn't get it. As you said, it's not so easy.
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That's why, in general, I give everyone a week, before posting the answer. And, btw, it's very good that you are trying, as it shows motivation and effort which is another good way to improve your games.
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Thanks, I'll try again next time.
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@joveyboy1
No problem.
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I see why, and the diagram I drew was not completely accurate. In the actual game, because white's R was not actually pointing at black's pawn, like this. It was similar, ohtherwise. Having said that, the actual solution, the move I played was 1...Rxh7, so the position, I admit was a little misleading here. Right after I played that white resigned because he white would be forced to give up his remaining in order to prevent black from promoting. I did learn something from this, myself. No matter what it is or what form, it's best if one can remember the exact position.
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bigpeta
23-Apr-14, 00:17
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thanks joe
i have booked a course of lessons on telepathy so next time i can see what you really meant to put up.
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