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bigpeta 06-May-14, 16:03	@magli yes i am in scotland. st andrews the home of golf. if you pass by then look me up we can have a game regards pete
maglicianer 07-May-14, 23:11	H6 Sorry for taking this thread slightly off topic. I lived and worked in Glasgow for about 10 years and loved the place. I liked Scotland so much that I even went as far as marrying a Scotsman. I don't play golf but I can remember a few visits to St. Andrews. Anyway, back to the main thrust of this thread, I agree h6. Let's try to move the annoying Bishop.
penguin_ 08-May-14, 04:03	A little sidebar is OK - h6 A little sidebar is good. There is more to life then just chess. Who said that  bigpeta lets move that bishop - h6
baddeeds 08-May-14, 13:52	12...h6
bigpeta 08-May-14, 14:28	A three way tie between Bh4 Bxf6 or Be3 Be3 i think is too passive and if that was our intended square then it should have been played straight away. of the other 2 i just prefer Bh4 keeping the pressure on. but if i am outvoted for the more aggresive Bxf6 i wont be unhappy
maglicianer 08-May-14, 14:49	Bishop move I would not want to give up the Bishop pair just yet, so I would rule out Bxf6. I'm sure that Pete is correct and that Bh4 is probably the best, but to me it looks untidy. Sorry, I don't have any valid chess reason to support my lack of enthusiasm for Bh4. Is the only other option Be3? I mean e3 as opposed to d2 or f4. I like the idea of counter threats whenever one of my pieces is threatened so I had a look at a3 but we would lose a pawn. Okay then Be3 for me.
penguin_ 08-May-14, 15:15	Bh4 for me I vote for Bh4.
baddeeds 09-May-14, 17:46	I'm sorry, maglicianer but votes for 13.Bh4, outvoted 13.Be3
penguin_ 10-May-14, 06:59	kxd4 kxd4 looks like it may open up some possibilities for black
bigpeta 10-May-14, 10:36	@penguin I think you mean Nxd4 (K is for king) and it is no good, as i pointed out before, it loses the N. after Nxd4 NxN now if QxN then Bh7+ wins the Q. I prefer either Be7 releasing the Q from guarding the N or Rc8 preparing to claim the open c-file. of these i like Be7 best.
penguin_ 10-May-14, 11:03	@bigpeta - Be7 Your right I did mean Nxd4 and yes your right you lose the Queen in that sequence. Be7 will work for me. Thanks
baddeeds 10-May-14, 20:21	13...Be7
bigpeta 10-May-14, 23:26	a3 now we have our position settled we can look at the smaller moves such as a3 to stop Bb4 pinning our N
penguin_ 11-May-14, 08:33	a3 ok good for me a3 good for me
maglicianer 12-May-14, 03:16	a3. Yes, I agree let's go for a3.
baddeeds 12-May-14, 06:35	14.a3
penguin_ 15-May-14, 16:03	g6 for black g6 to take away whites bishop play
bigpeta 16-May-14, 01:19	if g6 then follows Bxg6 fxg6 Rxe6 and blacks K defense is wrecked, white has a passed d-pawn and a semi passed f-pawn, plus there is a Fox in the coop. I suggest Rc8 to cover the open c-file
penguin_ 16-May-14, 04:35	@bigpeta Hey bigpeta I love your insight, What do you think if we play g6 it plays out as you suggest and then nxd4, nxd4, bc5 is played out.
bigpeta 16-May-14, 10:10	all that happens if the game procedes as you suggest is that you make it easy for white to use his advantage as you are clearing the board for him. any continuation is already bad as blacks K def is wrecked and white has many advantages.
penguin_ 16-May-14, 13:06	Vote Rc8 I vote for Rc8
baddeeds 16-May-14, 19:45	14...Rc8
baddeeds 19-May-14, 12:29	BTW, if you like this thread, I started another one involving another simulated game. But, this is a training session between this club and WTWLR club. It involves an irregular opening called the Baseman Defense.
penguin_ 26-May-14, 16:25	Ne5 I suggest Ne5
bigpeta 27-May-14, 01:21	I suggest Bb1 giving the Q room and allowing a future Ba2 pointing at the black K defenses. @penguin if Ne5 there is a rather long analysis which goes Ne5 Nxe5 now dxe5 is pretty much forced then follows Nd5 exposing the B on h4 so Bxe7 Qxe7 Nxd5 Bxd5 and now black has an open board with Q & B threatening to attack g2 in the K's weakened defenses. see diagram Its not often you need to look this far ahead but sometimes it is necessary.
baddeeds 27-May-14, 14:44	This is interesting and the first time that we have tied vote between two different opinions for the next move. I'll wait for other votes, or if you two come to an agreement.
penguin_ 27-May-14, 15:21	Considering Bigpeta's post I am still looking at Bigpeta's post
phyrexianrook 27-May-14, 19:43	Worth thinking about. Hi Guys, I've not posted here before, but I'm picking up that this is a game where it's club vs. club and we vote on the move and discuss things in a bid to improve our game?! If that is so then I want to throw my 2 cents worth in on the recent posts and discussions. In these sorts of IQP (isolated queen's pawn) positions it is "generally" better for white to avoid exchanges and it is "generally" better for black to initiate them. This is because as more material come off the board the isolated pawn will become weaker. In these positions it's usually the case that white gets some sort of fast and active development potential in return for his long term weakness. White is always looking to liquidate the weakness under favourable conditions, or indeed push the pawn and create a potentially dangerous passed central pawn. Now, with all that said (and please forgive me if this has already been said - I've not read all the previous posts), let's consider the position. At the moment the IQP is weak, it is being attacked twice and is only defended once. The 15. Ne5 move advances the knight to a nice looking central square, but removes the final defender from the IQP. Black could capture the knight and enter the reasonably forcing variation suggested by bigpeta, (15. Ne5, Nxe5 16. dxe5 ,Nd5 17. Bxe7, Qxe7 18. Nxd5, Bxd5) which leads to a very draw-ish position where material is equal and the only weakness in the position is black's h pawn which is on an opposite colour to white's remaining bishop. However, unless I'm missing a tactic, or variation, the simple 15. ... Nxd4 in reply is very strong for black. NOT 15. ... Qxd4 when the move 16. Nxc6 is a killer! If 16. ... Bxc6 then 17. Bh7+ wins the queen and if 16. ... Qxh4 then 17. Nxe7+ picks up an extra piece and an exchange. With all this taken into account I think the position calls for a Bc2 or a Bb1 move, to reveal the queens defence of the IQP. If I had to pick I'd be more inclined to offer up Bc2 as the move, because this allows a potential Rc1 move before committing the bishop to the a2-g8 diagonal. I know this potentially brings us to a 3-way tie, but Bc2 for me.
baddeeds 27-May-14, 21:06	Not far from accurate. And, there is a different thread that is Club V. Club. But, it involves the same thing here that's mainly for this game. It's a simulated chess game against myself. And, I was inspired by archduke_piccolo. The idea is to improve people's game which is why I don't discuss if it's a good or bad choice, as that's strictly up to the viewers to discuss which I see you're doing. But, I always base my decision on majority votes, and if it's what the majority discusses, then that's the move I play. If it's a tie, I wait until it's all settled.
bigpeta 28-May-14, 01:42	@phyrexianrook 1st welcome to the game. btw i love your profile page pic  . I am quite happy to go with Bc2 instead of Bb1 as it was a close decision. I chose Bb1 as when the B comes to the a2-g8 diagonal it would be tucked safely away. Nice piece of theory about the iqp and so we both agree that Ne5 is not a good move for white. Changing my vote to Bc2
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