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penguin_ 19-Jun-14, 05:35	My thoughts Two strong experienced players will slightly difference approaches. As an inexperience player I look at this and consider the basic's and in this case fighting for control of the center is what I am looking at. I would vote for Ned5 over Nc6 this keeps the R open. Just tossed in 2 more cents.
bigpeta 19-Jun-14, 14:01	Rc7 is worth looking at. To achieve the doubling on the d-file we would have to move whites N 1st to allow the R to come to d7 and that brings us back to Nc6. But this is good discussion from all. Loren dont put yourself down. You may just spot something we overlooked so keep on contributing.
saintinsanity 19-Jun-14, 22:37	Qd6 is the kind of move i would play here Envisioning future possibilities of a bishop queen battery on the long diagonal, , opening a hole for a rook on d8. It's not usually good to have the queen at the head of a battering ram, but we can adjust things later. It looks like a good square for the queen to me.
bigpeta 23-Jun-14, 05:32	Qd6 Bothers me in as much as it is the only square for the Q in that area. If it is the plan to get the Q onto the a8-h1 diagonal then again we have to clear the white N from e4. So i keep returning to the key move Nc6 to prep so many other lines. My vote remains Nc6
penguin_ 23-Jun-14, 13:45	Looked at it again I have gone back and looked at Nc6,Ned5,Rc7 and Qd6. I have also looked at the white N on e5. This N does pose a problem to black. It is hampering blacks options including some of the moves discussed. The movement of the white N on e5 is in Black's best interest. I now vote for Nc6.
baddeeds 23-Jun-14, 19:39	What's interesting is that the votes change, but what I do, is the same that the most recent votes count. Having said that, 19...Nc6 wins the votes.
bigpeta 25-Jun-14, 01:28	Ne4 now gives us pieces to attack. Should leaf to some exchanges which if black wants to include the iqp then it will cost a piece for a pawn.
penguin_ 26-Jun-14, 08:32	Ne4 Good for me If B plays Nxe4 the K's defense is opened up to W. If not W plays Nxf6 and B's defense of the K is in trouble. Either way B's defense of K is weakened.
baddeeds 26-Jun-14, 19:14	20.Ne4
bigpeta 27-Jun-14, 01:17	analysis time blacks next move requires some analysis to several moves ahead. I will hold off posting my working until the rest of the team has had a chance to post.
bigpeta 27-Jun-14, 06:32	common phase this phase of play is found at some point in every game. It is the point where a few moves can decide the direction of the game. So starting from whites last move the analysis for both sides will determine how play proceeds. If you watch GM otb games you will see this as a long thinking time by the players. We should seek to emulate them.
bigpeta 01-Jul-14, 01:19	where is everyone? have you all died, been eaten by zombies or what???
penguin_ 01-Jul-14, 05:01	@ Bigpeta Yes ! @ Bigpeta Yes !
penguin_ 01-Jul-14, 10:28	Bb7 say Penguin_1 I suggest Bb7 this will position the B to be available for the potential exchanges which may come about and also if they do occur points the B right at whites K defense.
bigpeta 01-Jul-14, 10:59	analysis of Bb7 If Bb7 there follows Nxf6+ Qxf6 Nd7 forking Q & R. So no i dont think that is a good idea. Instead we need to look at dealing with those strong central Ns. Have a look at Nxe4.
cplusplus11 02-Jul-14, 18:04	Bigpeta Why will ...Nxd4 lose a piece for a pawn?
penguin_ 03-Jul-14, 05:04	Deleted by penguin_ on 03-Jul-14, 05:04.
penguin_ 03-Jul-14, 05:06	Bb7 Agreed Bb7 is not to be played at this time Nxe4 is a better move.
bigpeta 03-Jul-14, 08:24	@cplusplus11 i dont know - why will Nxd4 lose a pawn. sorry cant see where your question comes from?
cplusplus11 03-Jul-14, 08:27	You said "Ne4 now gives us pieces to attack. Should lead to some exchanges which if black wants to include the iqp then it will cost a piece for a pawn."
bigpeta 04-Jul-14, 04:01	@cplusplus11 ah now i see. what i meant was the he would have to attack th eiqp with a piece and no chance of recapture - hence piece for a pawn hope this clear sit up
baddeeds 04-Jul-14, 07:33	20...Nxe4 wins the votes.
bigpeta 04-Jul-14, 09:48	Bxe4 and now 3 pieces attack c6
penguin_ 04-Jul-14, 13:13	How about Nxc6 ? If Bxe4 is played black will likely play Nxe5 and white will follow with dxe5. If white plays Nxc6 black must deal with the c6 N or lose a Q. White can then play Bxe4 and blacks N's are gone and the pawn remains on d4. So does white want a e5 or d4 pawn or does it really matter?
bigpeta 04-Jul-14, 13:48	Nice try Loren if Nxc6 then black plays Rxc6 and now if Bxe4 then Rxc1 Qxc1 Qxd4!!! after Rxc6 best is Rxe4 then follows Qd5 and black has strong central pieces with room to play. If after Bxe4 black plays Nxe5 then dxe5 connects the iqp with the K-side pawns and is thus much stronger. most likely move after Bxe4 is Nxd4 getting rid of the iqp and now black can take exchanges without freeing up the iqp.
penguin_ 06-Jul-14, 12:08	Good with Bxe4 I am good with Bxe4
baddeeds 06-Jul-14, 13:07	21.Bxe4
penguin_ 06-Jul-14, 15:05	Nxe5 Nxe5 seems to be blacks best move.
bigpeta 06-Jul-14, 15:45	@Loren Nxe5 - see my analysis note above about dxe5 and whites pawns are reconnected and so much stronger. Best move for me is Nxd4.
phyrexianrook 06-Jul-14, 16:50	Pull the trigger. Hi guys, I've not been commenting for a while, but I've kept my finger on the pulse of the game when I can. I think it's time for black to consider pulling the trigger and forcing an unbalanced game. I'm putting Nxd4 out there for discussion. I'm not going to share my analysis and spoil the fun right away, but I think it's a move worthy of consideration.
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