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saintinsanity 20-Nov-16, 16:21 |
 Trump Pence I'm not too worried about trump. Pence is scary though |
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It has become obvious after losing two presidential elections without regard to the peoples vote, the country is run by the government and not by the people. I heard a guy say in the news, that if you did not like the presidential outcome you should leave the country. That sounded like a very stupid statement from an allegedly educated man. If this is the kind of leadership we have now, this is definitely not going to make America great, it is making it worse. |
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The future We will be gone. |
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in future generations. I worry, not because I will be around to witness it, but because I love humanity as a whole. |
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Stealth Earth will be better without us, but I mourn for the beautiful, incredibly complex, awe-inspiring ecosystems that took millions of years to develop that we will have destroyed in a couple thousand years. |
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zorroloco But if earth becomes beautiful again, what good will it be, if there will be no humans left to appreciate it. |
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saintinsanity 23-Nov-16, 23:45 |
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saintinsanity 24-Nov-16, 08:02 |
Humans do beautiful things, and nature does terrible things, but intent matters. |
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What am I reading here that beauty is not appreciated, it may be welcome to animals, but animals just live to survive, and about the only thing that I have ever seen, is that these animals care for their loved ones, but that's where it stops. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but there has to be intelligence to be able to appreciate beauty, not just the eye. Maybe sometimes we get into a mode like watching a cartoon, and see animals that act like humans, but that is fallacy. Again, if there are no humans, what good is beauty? If the artists made beautiful paintings, and then destroyed them, what good would they be? If musicians made beautiful music, and then erased it before others could hear it?? If a garden is filled with beautiful flowers, would it be good to uproot and destroy them? If a person sings beautifully, and he is never heard by others, he is the only one that can appreciate his own singing, because I am sure dogs, cats, or any other animal would not care. pawnsy, I did not understand <<intent matters>> |
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Beauty But that doesn't make the object of beauty valueless. It exists regardless if we appreciate it or not. If animals don't dig beauty, why peacocks? |
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In the animal kingdom Because of this, the male is more attractive and sometimes even has to do some rituals, or performances to convince the female she should allow him to mate her. I do believe that those extra attributes is what nature provides for this, but not that the animals are visualizing those as beauty, but instead attractions that are needed but not appreciated as beauty as we humans know it. Therefore in my humble opinion, the only creatures that are capable of truly appreciating art, music, and other forms of beauty, are humans. |
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Hope afor All |
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saintinsanity 29-Nov-16, 20:20 |
Stealth, I'm not sure what i meant either, i guess. I see what you mean about human perception of beauty. But i would say that it's possible even humans cannot truly and fully appreciate beauty. Human arts can be beautiful or terrible too. But i think there might be a higher and lower form other than what humans appreciate. Beauty is independent of human perception. That's why humans don't always agree about what is beautiful. Is this just the tree falling in the woods philosophical question? |
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Human disagreement In humanity we can find greed, hypocrisy, hate, love, and truth. In my family, we had twins. Their thinking was not alike. Many humans like impress by trying to show they are smart. This happens when they see another person that they would like to simulate. That is the reason many people want to follow a person that they like. Those like to pretend that they are the same as that person, even if they are not. One example is abstract art. There was once a so called artist that soaked a coat in yellow paint, hung the paint to dry, and displayed it in a museum. A lot of people did not admit it was just a coat with dry paint, but instead made comments like, "what a beautiful form of expression". (pretension) We all know what we like, or appreciate as beauty, without having to wait until some other person who claims to be an artist show us what we should like. But again, not all people are the same, and especially a child, who will expose the fact that a man is naked, when others pretend he is not. |
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Appreciation of Beauty Comrade Groper's address to the Boy Scout Jamboree emphasized his opinion of what attracts the human female, a big fat wallet. Get the babes out on your yacht, where their escape route is cut off (you know what I am talking about) and of course if you are sufficiently rich or famous you can do whatever you want. "Grab them by the pu$$y." While he didn't add that last bit to the boys, it is Groper's most famous sound bite, next to killing the families of terrorists and now, of course, causing enormous disarray in our military. Hate to return from aesthetics to politics, but we've sewn the seeds of our own destruction. |
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The female peacock Nature provided the brain in such a way, that the female peacock would be attracted not by beauty as humans appreciate, but possibly by size, and movement of the male. I cannot sit here and write that I can get into a birds head, that is ludicrous, however common sense dictates that if birds appreciate beauty for what it is, it would not be restricted to their survival, it would encompass other forms of beauty, such as Flowers, and there again, if a bird is attracted to a berry, or bees to the flowers, it his not because of the beauty that we as humans appreciate, but because of the need for survival. Animals, insects, and birds, act on instinct, if the mothers protect the young from harm, the mothers are simply reacting to the need of protecting their young because of a natural instinct for their breed to carry on. Sometimes it is difficult to separate the animal love from need, but if we only apply logic, we can see that the animal that feels the need to protect it's kind, is doing what nature has programmed into the animals brain. Most of the time, food is what may make an animal act as though there is intelligence in the brain, but it is just the response to the need, not an act of intelligence. |
