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On the role of religion in setting attitudes, I can do some research over the weekend, JC. Today's news (AP): "US Attorney General Eric Holder will expand government recognition of same-sex marriages in all federal courtrooms and prisons Monday, and ensure they receive the same benefits as heterosexual ones." Here is an excellent article on the subject (Reuters): news.yahoo.com |
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Gay marriage marginalizing at-risk gay youth? |
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@JC Good point about the underlying causes of marginalizing. The article just goes to show that "demarginalization" is complicated: as some members of a marginalized group find more acceptance, others are left behind are further isolated. Perhaps this is the nature of mainstreaming or perhaps a worthy reminder and appeal to keep the vulnerable visible. |
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Mainstreaming... Control... Brings to mind the root of the religious stronghold on the masses. I haven't really found much spare time to research the role of religion in setting attitudes on homosexuality, JC. Religious cults are obviously a way of controlling behavior. I'll have some downtime next week and can dig around a bit. Thank you for defining "cisgender." |
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Queer youth who are homeless or Youth who are homeless and also queer? Perhaps the better question is why the LBGTQ is not doing more to make "homeless youth" programs effective? |
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This is a serious question. who will be the female or male actor. In the case of women, it is usually not very difficult to see who takes the male role, but: If two men marry, how is it decided who is going to take the male role? In this case, will the one that takes the male role be considered gay, or not? And if the one that takes the male role permitted by the gay partner to still become involved with women, or does that make a difference? I did not ask that about the woman that takes the female role, because I believe that the female that takes the male role is probably very dominant. If this is offensive to anyone, please accept my sincere apologies, that is not my intention. |
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Financial matters- large item expenditures like home, autos, large recreational vehicles; choosing financing options like loans, savings programs, buying and selling stocks, rentals... Family budget issues- food, clothing, bills, incidental/personal spending, entertainment, school, gifts, vacations... Home management- cooking, washing dishes, washing clothes, general house work, repairs, grocery shopping, child care, sick child, who to call for major repairs and projects.... Child care- discipline, education, decisions on curfews, associations, where and where not the child can go, school involvement, school work, which sports and clubs the child can play and attend, teacher parent conferences... Wage earning- who works and who stays at home. I suspect that in each section you will find a lot of "sharing" and "mutual decision making". |
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johnclark In my personal life, I have assumed the position of having responsibility for anything that my wife cannot physically perform. She is partially incapacitated, therefore, I have a sense of obligation to perform whatever she cannot take due to her problem. I wash dishes, sweep, mop, run errands, clean whatever gets dirty, and negotiate any financial or problems that surface. I love my wife, and I do all these things willingly, and with enthusiasm. But I cannot see what these issues have to do with the questions that I asked. Perhaps I should have been more explicit. I was mainly referring to performing intimacies of a sexual nature. |
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My apologies for misreading the question. I thought you were referring to "roles" in a broader sense. So the questions really are: "If two men marry, how is it decided who is the top and who is the bottom?" "Is the top considered gay?" "Can the top enjoy sexual relations with a female?" "Will a bottom allow a top to engage in heterosexual relations with a female?" I remember discussing similar questions with you in the thread "Why isn't Everyone Heterosexual?", posts dated 10 June 2014 through 4 August 2014. Here's a link for quick navigation: gameknot.com Let's review the thread and the posted links and get back on questions that remain. |
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johnclark At that time, I had not taken the time to read as much as I have now, but I now have the answer to the questions that I asked. Now I believe I know the answers, which are basically that the couples all decide what kind of pleasure they want to engage in, so there is variety and no strict guidelines. Thanks for the information. |
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Interesting Article I found this article while researching an unrelated subject. Some of you may already be aware. It appears to be an outdated article, but a noteworthy read just the same. I can see how people would consider becoming an ordained minister for the purpose of uniting gay couples in marriage: Conan O’Brien Ordained With Universal Life Church to Perform Gay Marriage Conan O’Brien will be celebrating the one-year anniversary of his TBS late night show, Conan, by officiating a gay wedding between one of his long-time staff members and his partner. O’Brien was ordained through the Universal Life Church earlier in the week, and the wedding will take place live on his show on Thursday, filmed in New York’s Beacon Theater. www.prweb.com |
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Christian Gays You're right, JC. It is an excellent resource for learning more about the role of religion in setting attitudes on homosexuality. I'm still looking it over. If anyone else is interested, here is the link for your information: christiangays.com |
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Taking Turns I have zero desire to know if Easy and his spouse ever do these things--I regard the subject as none of my business. Were I to collect statistics on the matter for some general Masters and Johnson style study... Well I read Masters and Johnson, and Shere Hite. Maybe that satisfied any curiosity. Imagine experimentation and variety--the same sorts of things many heterosexual couples enjoy. Many people are reluctant to discuss such things. A common refrain from some heterosexual men is that the though of gay sex disgusts them. I cannot imagine a common practice more disgusting or demeaning than the heterosexual male preference for facials, the so-called "money shot.". There are, however, intimate acts that assume no typical male or female role. If I had one piece of advice for my heterosexual friends fixated on some specific act, it would be to not dwell on the thought of that act. I prefer thinking about things I like thinking about. And respect the right of others to hold differing viewpoints. |
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Same-sex marriage and tradition www.winnipegfreepress.com |
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More on Christian Gays themennonite.org themennonite.org |
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@Cyna Here's the link to the "Clobber Verses": resources.christiangays.com |
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@kneilca @cyna 1. I am not a biblical literalist- one whose interpretation of the bible is "adherence to [it's] exact letter or [it's] literal sense". My interpretation is based on the "Scriptual themes" Ryan Ahlgrim mentions and also, that the books of the bible are accounts of what congregations believed in those times. With that said, I have yet to find a way to discuss issues of morality, behaviors,or beliefs with one who interprets the bible literally and sees the bible as his/her authority. There is no discourse; at best there is tolerance. 2. Mary Magdalene- "the sex worker, saint, sinner, witness, wife." (See tinyurl.com for a brief glimpse of her through the ages.) I was thinking of her in the sense of the "different person" that Jesus "included" in his ministry that Joanne Gallardo speaks of. Nothing profound, just thoughts. Thanks for the posts. |
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@JC Your difficulty in entering into meaningful discussion, "I have yet to find a way to discuss issues of morality, behaviors,or beliefs with one who interprets the bible literally and sees the bible as his/her authority. There is no discourse; at best there is tolerance." is something I can really relate to. Fortunately, I have not had to foray into that territory too often. As a person who speaks more than one language, you can attest to the flaws in a "literal" interpretation of a series of translations, trying to get at the meaning prescribed by a culture that lived 5000 years ago. Folks who have no experience or concept of the interconnection of language and culture might well assume that all languages are essentially the same: it's just that each language has its own sounds for the same words/concepts and these don't vary over time or place. Such an assumption is patently false. Concepts and the language that expresses them are culturally dependent. Just think of all of the meanings of "cool" or "sick", never mind "get" and "have". Maybe 2018 is a good time to rediscover a biblical woman who wanted a life of her own, without needing a man to define her identity, role and status. What a concept! |
