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wrecking_ball 20-Jul-14, 19:32	Good idea Todd,as to a master like player directing the player during a game.But as you have probably guessed,I have not designed this Basman game as such.I had mentioned about comments from me at the end of the game.Its a test in how you guys think on your own,without a big rating guy like me helping.That is the idea.Plus I have posts like the one Joe just pasted all over the club.With an opening defense disadvantage to begin with(stat wise anyway)and for me to use a Basman,I feel that NOT helping,is the key to learning even BETTER,if or when you find ways to see how and why the Basman Defense has gotten such a bad rap or can possibly capitalize,on the weakness as such. But,future games(not this one) can be designed the way you have described Todd. But something kind of looks out of place in this thread...and that is that big theory chart that Joe introduced.Thanks Joe,but I feel that it must be moved to another location!One can refer back to that great link anytime.Sorry,but to me,it needs to be located somewhere else,even if the topics in that report correlate to how one thinks.Otherwise,I could place twenty more links in this thread to cover everything else that was not mentioned in that link and paste above. So it has been moved to: "More chess theory and thoughts for beginner/intermediate" And Todd,I am also deleting that link above you posted.Nothing wrong with the link,just moving it,that's all.No one did anything wrong.I just feel that its better to have a specific cataloged type of post/thread in this club related to specific topics that future members can find,rather than try and remember that some list on theory was in a Basman thread. Oh...yes I have the strong initiative in this game!Not that this helps much,but that is all I want to say for now!Good luck all! By the way,even though i'm not "there"at the moment,my rating was at least 50 points higher than elyhim when I was TA only a few months ago.I'm saying that for a reason. WB/TA
kid_at_heart 20-Jul-14, 20:56	I am going on vacation this will be my last communication for weekish. That was why it was a vote for me! Thats my best opinion good luck ready to see where the game is when i get back
saintinsanity 20-Jul-14, 22:37	I like Bd2 also it just looks complicated. I'm seeing two main lines he might follow after Nb3. This is assuming he plays c5 at all. 1. Bd2 c5 2. Nb3 Nxd2 3. Nxd2 Rd3 and he is about to double up on the d-file. And if you look at our knight, it's gone from b2 to d2 to f3 to d4 to b3 back to d2. That's amusing. But that doesn't matter if we are holding the defense. Also, he might try doubling the rooks immediately. 1. Bd2 c5 2. Nb3 Rd7 Honestly, if he played c5 I would want to take with the b-pawn. He's keeping us tied up in knots and it's driving me crazy! I can't see the best way through this maze.
hogfysshe 21-Jul-14, 04:28	thanks pawntificator I don't think he'd play the first scenario. so, maybe Nb3 as a response to c5 would be ok. and I don't disagree that bxc5 is not out of the question (could WE make good use of the b file?). will take a look this evening and decide if I'm switching my vote to Bd2. or you guys can revote during the day and move ahead. apologies I've been slowing the game down.
hogfysshe 21-Jul-14, 19:51	yuck... well, I guess 19.Bd2 may be ok. so, I'll change my vote to 19.Bd2. if pawntificator and jkarp stick with 19.Rf1, I'll also go with Rf1 to avoid a split vote. but if one or both switch to 19.Bd2, that will be our move, kid_at_heart having already voted for Rf1. of course, if cplusplus and lesplay come in, then who knows. but it has been 5 or 6 days. so they better be quick.
saintinsanity 21-Jul-14, 21:24	I was only going Rf1 because it was a reasonable alternative to Bd2. I'll vote Bd2 any day.
saintinsanity 21-Jul-14, 22:25	Wait just a second here Our bishop is actually in a pretty good spot, if it wasn't holding our rooks apart. But as the bishop stands, his knight can do little to infiltrate our queenside with his knight. What if we play Rb1? He wouldn't play c5 because we just take and now our knight is locked into the center and our rook has an open file.
hogfysshe 22-Jul-14, 04:23	have looked at that and will more this evening. but in the meantime, don't we have "annoying bishop" chapter 27... 1. Rb1 Bf5 2. Nxf5 Rxd1+ not that I'm going back to Rf1. but the R covering f5 was/is a benefit of that option. ...not to mention that the knight would no longer be pinned (and that would be a second piece on f4. not that having a second piece attacking f4 would necessarily be a great benefit. would have to see about that).
saintinsanity 22-Jul-14, 08:19	yes, indeed. chapter 27 Perhaps Rb3 after Bf5 would work.
saintinsanity 22-Jul-14, 08:34	Nope, then he has Bc2
saintinsanity 22-Jul-14, 08:35	how about e4, or perhaps a4
hogfysshe 22-Jul-14, 17:23	e4 would commit us to a pawn recapture after a possible ...c5 (not that that is necessarily bad). also, keeping the pawn on e3 could be better for our center pawns possibly coming together in a strong formation (if we could trade N for B ). ...also maybe keep value of black's dsb low. also, as long as black's knight is on c4, our B continues to be more than useless, e4 gaining it no useful squares. can't get too excited about a4. so, since we can probably weather it, I'll stick with my previous vote: 19.Bd2 unless you and jkarp both stay with Rf1, in which case I'll go along with that to avoid a split vote. vote is currently 2 for Bd2 and 2 for Rf1. so, it's up to you two. pawntificator and jkarp, revote and we'll go on to the next move.
cplusplus11 22-Jul-14, 17:25	Vote Rf1 I think that will help break the bind
saintinsanity 22-Jul-14, 17:49	i vote Rf1 also This would keep his bishop of f5 and allow us to play Rb1 later, if we wanted.
baddeeds 22-Jul-14, 17:59	I was going to vote for Nb3, but going by what pawntificator in that main line noted, I'm sticking with what Rf1, so that now you have 3 votes for this move. I simply think it's better.
hogfysshe 22-Jul-14, 18:11	current vote count kid_at_heart - 19.Bd2 hogfysshe - 19.Bd2 cplusplus - 19.Rf1 jkarp - 19.Rf1 [vote unchanged] pawntificator - to vote
cplusplus11 22-Jul-14, 18:12	Pawntificator just said that he voted for Rf1
hogfysshe 22-Jul-14, 18:12	oops. missed that. pawntificator votes 19. Rf1 3 to 2. our vote is 19.Rf1
baddeeds 22-Jul-14, 18:13	Deleted by baddeeds on 22-Jul-14, 18:14.
hogfysshe 22-Jul-14, 18:20	current position, black to move 1.e4, g5 2.d4, h6 3.Bc4, a6 4.Qh5, d5 5.exd5, Nf6 6.Qd1,Nxd5 7.Ne2, Nc6 8.a3, Bg7 9.c3, e5 10.dxe5, Be6 11.Nd2, Nxe5 12.O-O, Ne3 13.fxe3, Nxc4 14.Nf4, Qxd1 15.Rxd1, O-O 16.b3, Na5 17.b4, Nc4 18.Nfd4, Rad8 19.Rf1, ____
wrecking_ball 23-Jul-14, 14:34	Ok guys.By now,at the very least,you can probably see how the Basman Defense has some good surprise value and decent potential in GK games.It has always been given a bad rap,but it is not bad at all...in the right hands. 19. Rf1,Bd5
saintinsanity 23-Jul-14, 14:49	I'm not knocking it Even though I've never tried it. I daresay we could have done a bit better against it, our early queen move has left us in quite some difficulty for the last 15 moves. Here is the position: I knew we should have played e4! Just kidding. I'm thinking 20. Nb3 wouldn't be amiss.
wrecking_ball 23-Jul-14, 14:54	Of course you guys know(me thinks),but careful with that disconnected e pawn.
hogfysshe 23-Jul-14, 15:19	if we had played e4, which yes would at least for a moment have controlled d5, I'm fairly sure it would have been swatted down quickly. hey, I suggested a radical e4 way back (in connection with an N for his 2 P exchange). that would have put our B on g5 and connected the rooks. ...not that I would have had the nerve to really play it. but I definitely want to hear WB's thoughts on that possibility in the post. I did think more recently that a rook on e1 supporting the pawn might be smart. I suppose the purpose of this latest move is mainly to conserve the bishop? ...and that d5 is a better square for it than g4?
saintinsanity 23-Jul-14, 15:24	Also apparently, to open up the e-file for one of his rooks to attack our pawn. And probably to point his bishop at our king.
cplusplus11 23-Jul-14, 15:42	What do you think of Nf5? Forces a trade of one bishop or allows Nxh6.
saintinsanity 23-Jul-14, 15:45	Ng3, I meant to say. Nf5 has been on my mind for a while now. Perhaps now is a good time.
hogfysshe 23-Jul-14, 15:52	agree with the rook part pawntificator. just noting that he could have brought the rook in behind the bishop, setting up a discovered attack, but "had" to move the bishop while the gettin' was good. in other words, making it a piece we'd like to capture (since he likes it  ).
hogfysshe 23-Jul-14, 16:00	Nf5... was my first thought, cplusplus. will definitely be looking at that. Ng3, maybe, but could be hazardous to our c-pawn a few moves along? ...not that protecting a pawn with a knight is a good use of the knight.
baddeeds 24-Jul-14, 20:34	I like Nf5, the best. And, with it not now, but later on, we just might be threatening a dangerous check. Either way, I feel that it will certainly strengthen our position.
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