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deeper_insight 05-Mar-17, 10:35	GM Q sac lesson to all... Here is an example of a GM Q sacrifice in an OTB position against an 1889 player.So who says in this club(or other clubs) that Q sacs only work in blitz chess and would not work in major tourney play OTB or even on GK correspondence? All hogwash by those who rely on cookie cutter,cliche thinking!Yes...i'm pointing the finger at you and others!!!If there is only one example,there is surely more!!(and yes,there are plenty more examples,which I could list in time!) Sure,the GM's opponent was 1889...but that was still an "A"rated player in a tourney with much more think time than blitz!A 1889 player is still a relatively strong player,regardless. So here is the game position(sorry,I do not have the entire game PGN for the moment),but what really counts is that position,not the entire game: GM Timur Gareyev(2703) Scott White(1889) 25.Rxd8!,Qxf5? Perhaps Scott assumed that Gareyev did not see that his Q was hanging,or perhaps he missed the upcoming 28th or 29th move. 26.Rxf8+,Kxf8 27.Bd6+,Be7 28.Rxe7!,Qd3 29.Re6+ and now black resigned as he must now part with his own Queen! Yes,on the GM level of play "free queens" are not common,but they do exist,so keep that in mind next time you think....."well,TA,you win with those Q sacs because you play blitz"!!!!And then go on to weakly think that YOU would have seen the mistake of black in the above game OTB OR GK correspondence,even with 5 days to think about the move!!! Please,stop deluding yourself!Don't bet your life that you would have seen that mistake above in the Q grabbing scenario!If so,then are you ready to jump off that skyscraper without a parachute? TA
deeper_insight 05-Mar-17, 10:56	So,realign your thinking process! Position above after move # 29.Re6+! and black resigned because he would have had to part with his own Q!Easy to NOW see.But not as easy before! Now in my blitz games,I do these things ALL THE TIME!!Could I play a host of 1889 players in GK correspondence play and do similar things with Q sacs as the GM accomplished above? Answer:Absolutely!! However,my opponents are never 1889 opponents anyway,and i'm trying to reach 2500 again as last year.So,no,it would not be smart to simply play Q sac games in my GK correp play.And as to unrated Q sac play,perhaps...but no time for that now! But understand the point above,that Q sacs are not only in the blitz arena of play!If GM can do it,so can senior masters! Mini lesson over! TA
deeper_insight 05-Mar-17, 11:07	Oh.....one final thought about the Q sac game above! That game above in this thread was done in Las Vegas in Dec 3-4 2016....and Gareyev won the game BLINDFOLDED along with 48 other simultaneous games besting the old record of 46,set by German FM Marc Lang in 2011.The travelling GM played 1,370 moves over 19 hours,and never once saw a board!!!!! Beyond amazing! GM Timur Gareyev brain is under study by the Rissman Memory Lab at UCLA.No joke...fact!
apatzer 05-Mar-17, 12:12	Deleted by apatzer on 05-Mar-17, 12:13.
apatzer 05-Mar-17, 12:15	Deleted by apatzer on 18-Mar-17, 20:01.
deeper_insight 05-Mar-17, 12:54	Thanks Apatzer.More proof showing a few of these Q sacs.I could not find your exact game(1962) on chessgames.com but I did not check all of my databases.My example above was very recent,showing that the sacs still go on today and on high levels of play.
baddeeds 05-Mar-17, 12:59	It's why I like studying these things. Yes, it shows that one must understand theory. It's not good enough to think that you're just going to win because you have an extra Q. Instead, one must know how to defend the position. In a different example that doesn't involve a win but with the same idea, GM Susan Polgar showed a couple of examples of when you're more then just a Q up. And, she said that in that situation where one appears to be winning, you must be very careful because even if not pulling the win, one can get a swindle and draw. And, she showed some examples that lead to Stalemate. One or two of the draws also included a draw by repetition. And, there was a different example now of where you can lose being way up. So, the idea is always ask yourself what your opponent wants and be aware of the threat. But, there's way more then just that because defending the position doesn't just mean seeing the entire board. It also means understanding theory and knowing, pretty much, all of the strategy and tactics that go into the game.
deeper_insight 05-Mar-17, 13:08	Very right Joe!And above in the first example,Scott White at 1889 should have examined the board more closely!He had the "ability"to look a bit deeper into the position,but decided to take the "glamour road" and grabbed the GM's hanging Q! More of a ? mark should have flashed across Whites brain before simply taking the GM's Q!He should have sat back and took a full minute or two to see the light!
apatzer 05-Mar-17, 13:31	Deleted by apatzer on 18-Mar-17, 20:01.
apatzer 05-Mar-17, 13:53	Deleted by apatzer on 18-Mar-17, 20:01.
apatzer 05-Mar-17, 14:01	Deleted by apatzer on 18-Mar-17, 20:01.
deeper_insight 05-Mar-17, 14:12	Apatzer.... As to some of your OTB games with psychology used....you must have read the book "Underhanded Chess" by Jerry Sohl.If not,it is a hilarious great read!A must buy!Old,but good!I obtained a letter of fan appreciation and his signature before he passed away.And I used many of those antics he used in the book!Fisher/Spassky games in 1972 were part of his comments in the book. www.amazon.com

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