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dmaestro 16-Oct-19, 11:39 |
 Trump TaxesThe question is: How long will conservatives continue to excuse Trump on releasing his taxes? A majority of Dems now want Trump in jail for his crimes after he leaves office and loses immunity. There will be NO pardons if he loses. |
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DM What is it that you think we will find in there? Serious question. |
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Proginoskes The other reason is, Donald Trump said he would after the IRS audit ( he probably wasn't being audited) Thefore it is a well established norm, with decades of precedent, and Trump himself said he would. As to what would be revealed? That could only be supposition, no private citizen knows. The real question is What information can be gleaned from a person's tax returns? Trump has had to disclose his Taxes to other entities in order to get loans, etc. But that is very murky and no one really knows for sure who has what. However the fact that he is bending over backwards and spending a lot of money for lawyers to fight the release of his Tax returns. Is very telling. |
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prog There's something wrong with tRump's tax return, and trump has been audited almost every time he's submitted his taxes. The people have a right to know what trump's trying to hide about his finances, because it's likely criminal. |
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dmaestro 17-Oct-19, 08:13 |
Prog Furthermore Trump promised he would release them then reneged. With silly excuses; first that he was being audited; second they were to complicated; and then that because he “won” (not a majority) the public should not care, and now that he he is being harassed. Meanwhile the scraps of financial records we have show serious concerns and inconsistencies as well as evident conflicts of interest. Furthermore Congress is entitled to those records under law. Why anyone would believe any of Trump’s excuses when we can draw adverse interference make sense remains a mystery. When he ran for office he gave up some level of privacy. |
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stalhandske 17-Oct-19, 20:34 |
I have seen this claim repetitively. But how can it be? If there is something criminal there would that not have been reported by the IRS? |
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Everyone ASSUMES he is hiding something criminal there. I mean I guess we could pass a law one day saying it's mandatory, but I still don't like the insistence by anyone regardless of the fact that he is the president that he has to show his taxes to anyone. Everyone is simply outraged when Trump tries to find ways to dig up dirt on people, yet, everyone seems very interested in trying to dig up dirt on him. I'm cynical. And not naive. That's the way I see it. |
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stalhandske 17-Oct-19, 20:48 |
I am surprised |
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@ptitreoque << I'm cynical. And not naive. That's the way I see it. >> Sir, the insanity and unlawful attacks against the president are W/O precedent! Citizen Donald J Trump has lived the American dream. His story is so American. On so many levels. Yet the vitriol which has been engendered against the man, as an individual, is in a word INEXPLICABLE. Serial killers have not had such a backlash as President Trump. And for what reason? Thank you for stating the obvious. |
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Why Hide? Besides, we already know he grosdly overstated the value of assets to lenders and understated them to the government for tax purposes. His sister had to step down her judgeship for the same type of tax fraud Trump is guilty of. He said he would release his taxes and he lied. Not his only lie by a long shot, but his lies are covering up something. |
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@inhis "I'm cynical and not naïve" that was proginoskes and I disagree with his last statement. Trump is not an ordinary citizen. A state ruler should be absolutely correct on this subject and transparency, for people in might in a democracy, should be the rule. |
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dmaestro 17-Oct-19, 23:30 |
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“If you have nothing to hide, then you won’t mind if we search” is a notion so alien liberalism and freedom that when the left isn’t being overly partisan can easy see and call out what it is. Stop and frisk and wrong. Passively collecting all our text messages and email in a database is wrong. When we start making special pleadings to violate our basic (classically) liberal liberties we’ve missed the mark. The president still gets to be someone who gets to have liberal liberties applied to him regardless of suspicions. |
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Basically if you own a major stake in a company, sorry, you will sell your shares and you will put that money with a caretaker until you are out of office. It’s just part of being president. |
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transparency for the rulers In France, all the candidates for a presidential election have do declare all their fortune before the election (whether business owning, houses...) - Those declarations are public, of course. Proginoskes' idea, above, seems good. Obviously, it'll be annoying for the potential candidates but if they are not willing to accept such obligations, they are probably not suitable for the office. I also agree with proginoskes about the fact that we should have a private life. A general transparency is dangerous but President is a very specific job with particular tasks. I do not see why he couldn't have specific obligations. |
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stalhandske 18-Oct-19, 06:40 |
Transparency In fact, each year (I believe in November) the income and taxation of the richest and also of popular persons are PUBLISHED by the press, and creates a lot of envy and rumors |
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His taxes will likely help prove it, and he probably knows that. The IRS has likely been investigating tRump for many years, but good criminal lawyers and accountants have developed cagy ways to hide illegal activities, and tRump likely has some of those types in his deep pockets --- see Giuliani, etc. |
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C zzzzz Above is my Grandson Ollivander's contribution to this discussion. When he is older I trust his observations will be more meaningful. He is only one. Our president just turned 73. The 7 is silent. |
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Crow My (solid black) cat, Crow, just got into the action, but I had to talk him into it and cheat a little ---I believe he's about 6. |
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dmaestro 18-Oct-19, 10:47 |
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@ptitroque @stalhandske @L_S & @DM Everyone ASSUMES he is hiding something criminal there. I mean I guess we could pass a law one day saying it's mandatory, but I still don't like the insistence by anyone regardless of the fact that he is the president that he has to show his taxes to anyone. >> Exactly, the Democrats and the Mockingbird Media have been throwing manure against the wall with Russian Collusion, incessantly negative press opinions - that is all the press has been able to give Americans - OPINIONS. Now they have come up with some more OPINIONS on the president supposedly strong arming the Ukrainian president to investigate Joe Biden's son. They say some "whistle blower" has evidence of this. Who is this mystery whistle blower? He does not exist, just as the accusations against President Trump do not have any semblance to reality. Just more BAD SOUR GRAPES by the Democrats and their propaganda machine which used to report real news not mere slanderous opinion pieces. << Why Hide? Why is he hiding if it isn't criminal? >> It is not a question of hiding anything "criminal". In America we're supposed to have a judicial principle of "innocent until proven guilty". Social norms and civil customs - according to the Democratic Party and the Mockingbird Media do not believe should be extended to President Trump. Hence, another witch hunt! << I also agree with proginoskes about the fact that we should have a private life. A general transparency is dangerous but President is a very specific job with particular tasks. I do not see why he couldn't have specific obligations. >> A president of the United States usually is afforded an honorable and respectable accord. He is given special privileges which demonstrate the people's trust and confidence which his office of political leader of a country generally given - EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF THIS PRESIDENT. The only obligation President Trump has the authority to perform is to uphold the American Constitution. Were the prejudice press not so prejudiced and were the Democratic Party more cooperative in helping the president perform his duties, he probably would be more forthcoming about his taxes, though the law DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE HIM TO DO SO. << transparency for the rulers Example : In France, all the candidates for a presidential election have do declare all their fortune before the election (whether business owning, houses...) >> << Transparency We have here complete transparency vis-à-vis taxation. In fact, all income and taxation is available for anyone to read. Not sources, but divided between income from work and income from investments etc. And total payed tax. >> Government leaders in France and in Finland may report their personal incomes - that is well and good for France and for Finland. But America operates with different standards than France or Finland. No offense meant to either country, of course. |
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? The dark skinned president enjoyed no such latitude. Bill Clinton was impeached over lying about fellatio. But Trump is free to violate any law he wants, and unless God strikes him with a thunderbolt he suffers no consequence. On the contrary, we praise him for it! "Look at Trump provoking nasty evil scumbag Democrats, tee hee hee! Look at Trump abuse his office for personal profit! Doesn't he win! He is untouchable! Truly blessed by the Almighty!" |
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Green Light Or do you side with Pat Robertson who frets that Trump risks the mandate of heaven by turning his back to stab Christian Kurds in their back? |
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