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 President Trump Sounds a Prophetic Warningwww.youtube.com This president sirs in the White House because God heard the cries if His people. IMO if Christians become complacent concerning these upcoming Midterms there will literally be hell to pay! |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 13:38 |
Implying he’s a racist? Such despicable behavior from you, but not surprising. The fact that you view racism so cavalierly and flippantly says quite a bit about you. |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 13:42 |
Agree, though I would express religion as belief and faith based in part on evidence. |
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stalhandske 01-Sep-18, 14:05 |
I don't want to dismiss the "based in part on evidence", but in my book that evidence is unfortunately quite fragile. <As I said earlier, God’s existence, identity, character and nature are not defined by man nor are they dependent upon what man thinks.> Yes, that must obviously be the case when you have faith. Yet, all that we base our views of God stems from the Bible (in Christianity), which was written by humans. |
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stalhandske 01-Sep-18, 14:09 |
pulpitandpen.org |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 14:35 |
People who are experts in evaluating evidence disagree. “Check these guys out... Simon Greenleaf (1783-1853) was one of the founders of Harvard Law School. He authored the authoritative three-volume text, A Treatise on the Law of Evidence (1842), which is still considered "the greatest single authority on evidence in the entire literature of legal procedure."1 Greenleaf literally wrote the rules of evidence for the U.S. legal system. He was certainly a man who knew how to weigh the facts. He was an atheist until he accepted a challenge by his students to investigate the case for Christ's resurrection. After personally collecting and examining the evidence based on rules of evidence that he helped establish, Greenleaf became a Christian and wrote the classic, Testimony of the Evangelists. Let [the Gospel's] testimony be sifted, as it were given in a court of justice on the side of the adverse party, the witness being subjected to a rigorous cross-examination. The result, it is confidently believed, will be an undoubting conviction of their integrity, ability, and truth.2 Sir Lionel Luckhoo (1914-1997) is considered one of the greatest lawyers in British history. He's recorded in the Guinness Book of World Records as the "World's Most Successful Advocate," with 245 consecutive murder acquittals. He was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II -- twice. Luckhoo declared: I humbly add I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world and am still in active practice. I have been fortunate to secure a number of successes in jury trials and I say unequivocally the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.3 Lee Strobel was a Yale-educated, award-winning journalist at the Chicago Tribune. As an atheist, he decided to compile a legal case against Jesus Christ and prove him to be a fraud by the weight of the evidence. As Legal Editor of the Tribune, Strobel's area of expertise was courtroom analysis. To make his case against Christ, Strobel cross-examined a number of Christian authorities, recognized experts in their own fields of study (including PhD's from such prestigious academic centers as Cambridge, Princeton, and Brandeis). He conducted his examination with no religious bias, other than his predisposition to atheism. Remarkably, after compiling and critically examining the evidence for himself, Strobel became a Christian. Stunned by his findings, he organized the evidence into a book entitled, The Case for Christ, which won the Gold Medallion Book Award for excellence. Strobel asks one thing of each reader - remain unbiased in your examination of the evidence. In the end, judge the evidence for yourself, acting as the lone juror in the case for Christ...4” www.allaboutthejourney.org And the evidence initially is external, but also becomes internal to an individual believer as he or she experiences God’s presence, care, love and power. |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 14:38 |
Disagree. It’s common sense. Does your existence depend upon my (or anyone) believing you exist? Are your identity, character and nature defined by me or dependent upon my opinion of them? |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 14:43 |
Actually, the Old Testament is accepted by Christianity, Judaism and Islam, though I think Muslims believe Genesis was tampered with to make Jews (through Isaac) God’s chosen people. And the Bible was technically written by men but men who wrote under the inspiration, guidance and control of God’s Holy Spirit, not unlike the prophets. In fact, a section of the Bible is devoted to major and minor prophets. |
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stalhandske 01-Sep-18, 21:53 |
Many thanks for the interesting examples in the earlier (long) post! You can always find such examples among the myriads of individuals in human history. I don't dismiss them as irrelevant - I think they are truly interesting. However, they don't change my opinion of being fragile as evidence. The internal part of evidence is definitely important, too. But it is - I believe - a component of the strong faith. <And the Bible was technically written by men but men who wrote under the inspiration, guidance and control of God’s Holy Spirit, not unlike the prophets. In fact, a section of the Bible is devoted to major and minor prophets.> Sure. |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 22:22 |
How deeply have you examined the evidence? |
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stalhandske 01-Sep-18, 22:32 |
Quite sufficiently, but - no - I have not read the books of the two gentlemen. But perhaps you think that as long as I stay with my opinion I have not examined the evidence sufficiently? |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 22:38 |
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stalhandske 01-Sep-18, 22:41 |
I think that is very true. |
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romans8384 01-Sep-18, 22:43 |
Glad we can end in agreement as my phone battery’s nearly dead and it’s late out here. Good night. |
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stanhanske . . . Since this post I have been working and have had to turn in my computer for repair/ replacement. But I have not forgotten it, by no means. Though stanhanske obviously asserts that Christians have questions regarding Lance Wallnau’s credibility (which is not the case at all), the truth is that many, many more Christians have questions about Pulpit and Pen’s credibility – wouldn’t you know? But before we go there I want to state my unequivocal disagreement with what stanhanske’s link says about Lance Wallnau. It is very biased and skewed against not only Lance but against Conservative Christians generally! More to the point it completely misses the message of President Trump at the meeting with the Christians! Which was the point of my post to begin with. Will Mr Stanhanske, please, address that? Now on to the questionable credibility of Pulpit and Pen, shall we? “Fundamentalist Embarrasses Self” I discovered the fundamentalist Christian website Pulpit & Pen a year or two ago, when they were hating on Karen Swallow Prior for failing to meet its high standards. They are an excitable lot, the P&P writers. One of them who participated in the attack on KSP later repented, and resigned from P&P, saying: Unless you’ve been living under a social media rock the last week or so, you’ve no doubt been made aware of the conflict between Pulpit & Pen and Dr. Karen Swallow Prior. As of the time of this publishing, a resolution seems nowhere in sight and the entire ordeal has served nothing more than to fracture the body of Christ greatly. Regretfully, I had a hand in promulgating this conflict by taking part in a podcast at Pulpit & Pen without having researched the facts myself first. To be clear, I disagree with Dr. Prior’s approach to evangelism in some areas. However, I was out of line to opine the way I did before making myself one-hundred percent clear on the facts of the situation. For that error, I publicly repent and apologize to Dr. Prior and ask her forgiveness for the uncharitable treatment she received from me personally and the ramifications that may have stemmed from my public comments. He later added: In the time that has passed since publishing this public apology, as I have grown in my sanctification and reflected on my actions as part of the Pulpit & Pen blog, it has become apparent that I must more clearly and vociferously renounce any association with or subtle endorsement of Pulpit & Pen. I can no longer in good Christian conscience recommend including that ministry to fellow believers. While many of the issues P&P raises are valid, many others are not; and even more attack the brethren unnecessarily and often in unfounded ways. I pray that our Savior may open the eyes of those contributing to come to repentance as He so graciously did for me. If you take from these statements the idea that P&P writers shoot their mouths off maliciously without knowing what they’re talking about, you’d be correct. Today, the website turns its Eye of Sauron on Orthodox Christianity, which it describes as a “cult.” Jeff Maples of the site went to Hank Hanegraaf’s new Greek Orthodox parish looking for abomination. www.theamericanconservative.com “Pulpit and Pen, Why Orthodox Christians Should Ignore Them” The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, “God, I thank You that I am not like other men . . .” Luke 18:11 Pulpit & Pen is gaining notoriety in Orthodox circles. The website’s criticism of Hank Hanegraaff – and of Orthodoxy in general – are nothing short of shocking. These mocking attacks on Orthodox Christians are an embarrassment to Protestantism. The reception of Hank Hanegraaff into the Orthodox Church is cause for celebration. The host of The Bible Answer Man is bringing mainstream attention to Orthodoxy. Hanegraaff’s reception into the Church is among the most publicized since Peter Gillquist led hundreds to the faith in the 1980s. But with greater attention comes greater scrutiny by critics of Orthodoxy. Even so, the attack by Pulpit & Pen is beyond the pale. It’s not a gentle correction by fellow Christians. Nor is it a convincing argument for their position. It’s spiteful rhetoric that Christians everywhere should denounce. I’ve intentionally not linked to their work here, and have avoided commenting on this controversy until now. I believe that ignoring smug, ignorant trolling is the best policy. But the number of Orthodox Christians engaging the Pulpit & Pen writers on social media is alarming. And I think it’s time to say something about it. findingthetruefaith.com |
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This president sits in the white house because Putin saw an opportunity to cast a big monkey wrench into the operation of US democracy, or in this case an orangutan wrench, coupled with the Unindicted Coconspirator's vision of improving his own brand name value and personal assets. I walked past Groper Tower earlier this year. Occupancy is as high as ever, while rates are quadrupled. The inflated prices represent foreign gifts to the president he does not have to report as gifts. |
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Weakness of Evidence We have seen oxen. We have zero independent evidence for ressurrection. |
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romans8384 07-Sep-18, 08:18 |
“Simon Greenleaf (1783-1853) was one of the founders of Harvard Law School. He authored the authoritative three-volume text, A Treatise on the Law of Evidence (1842), which is still considered "the greatest single authority on evidence in the entire literature of legal procedure."1 Greenleaf literally wrote the rules of evidence for the U.S. legal system. He was certainly a man who knew how to weigh the facts. He was an atheist until he accepted a challenge by his students to investigate the case for Christ's resurrection. After personally collecting and examining the evidence based on rules of evidence that he helped establish, Greenleaf became a Christian and wrote the classic, Testimony of the Evangelists. Let [the Gospel's] testimony be sifted, as it were given in a court of justice on the side of the adverse party, the witness being subjected to a rigorous cross-examination. The result, it is confidently believed, will be an undoubting conviction of their integrity, ability, and truth.2 Sir Lionel Luckhoo (1914-1997) is considered one of the greatest lawyers in British history. He's recorded in the Guinness Book of World Records as the "World's Most Successful Advocate," with 245 consecutive murder acquittals. He was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II -- twice. Luckhoo declared: I humbly add I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world and am still in active practice. I have been fortunate to secure a number of successes in jury trials and I say unequivocally the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.3 Lee Strobel was a Yale-educated, award-winning journalist at the Chicago Tribune. As an atheist, he decided to compile a legal case against Jesus Christ and prove him to be a fraud by the weight of the evidence. As Legal Editor of the Tribune, Strobel's area of expertise was courtroom analysis. To make his case against Christ, Strobel cross-examined a number of Christian authorities, recognized experts in their own fields of study (including PhD's from such prestigious academic centers as Cambridge, Princeton, and Brandeis). He conducted his examination with no religious bias, other than his predisposition to atheism. Remarkably, after compiling and critically examining the evidence for himself, Strobel became a Christian. Stunned by his findings, he organized the evidence into a book entitled, The Case for Christ, which won the Gold Medallion Book Award for excellence. Strobel asks one thing of each reader - remain unbiased in your examination of the evidence. In the end, judge the evidence for yourself, acting as the lone juror in the case for Christ...4” www.allaboutthejourney.org |
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Of course, it is utter nonsense to say that Jesus did not live. Historical facts say otherwise. But men will say and behave according to their whims, anyway, won’t they? |
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Rejecting Jesus for Hedonism The way the difference between between Jimmy Swaggert and a pick pocket is that the pick pocket snatches watches? Bill Hybels. Oh, oh, Ted Haggard! Snorting coke off the reproductive organ of his gay lover! He had to reject Christ's existence before he could satiate his natural lusts? I know you are not Catholic, but what about all those altar boys? All those tender young altar boys with the firm, flawless skin... Cannot recall a single priest ever denying Christ's existence so as to make the sexy time with one of them. |
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romans8384 07-Sep-18, 13:31 |
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We Both Agree So you can say Islamic terrorists and I will conflate with pedophile Xtianity. |
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romans8384 07-Sep-18, 23:10 |
I think religions should be evaluated based on their source texts (what the belief system is) and evidence that supports its principal claims. Anyone can claim to be a Christian and anyone can claim to be a Muslim or a Jew. That doesn’t mean they are one. |
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Can We Discuss Giants? No One Seems to Be Aware of These! Steve Quayle and Timothy Alberino spoke on the Hagmann Report about their excursion into Peru and finding original documents from the Jesuit priests who followed the Conquistadors after their conquest of the Incas. These documents tell of the giants who built those ruins. youtu.be These giant skeletons have been found all over America as well. “Strange Skulls and Giants Skeletons” Throughout history, there have been various reported, but often unconfirmed incidences of “strange skulls” and “giant skeletons” being found. These incidences have led to much speculation as to whether a race of giants or humanoid aliens once walked amongst us. These reported cases include: In 1878, the uprooting of a large maple tree in Jefferson County, New York revealed a skeleton of “great stature”; it had full rows of double teeth. It was found along with hundreds of other skeletons with “normal” features. A very large, double toothed skull was unearthed in Proctorville, Ohio is 1892 In 1881, while digging the cellar of a new home in Medina County, Ohio, nine doubled toothed skeletons were found. The skulls were very large; so large that one man was able to wear one as a helmet. In 1845, a human jawbone with transverse teeth was found in Virginia. It was so large that it could wrap around a man’s face. The excavation of an Indian burial ground in Michigan in 1890 turned up three skulls that each had three wholes in their crown. Two of them also had double teeth in the front. A mound excavated in Chesterton, Ohio in 1829 contained a jawbone that had more teeth than modern humans. It was said to have been large enough to fit over the face of a man that had been known for his large jaw. Three eight foot tall skeletons were dug out of a mound in Noble County, Ohio in 1872. The skulls all had double teeth, but were said to have disintegrated upon exposure to the atmosphere. otherworldmystery.com “Giant Skeletons of the Ancient Mound Builders” Giant skeletons of an unidentified human race have been excavated around the world, lending credence to the strange stories of Nephilim in ancient texts. According to the book of Genesis, Nephilim were beings present on the earth during the time when the “sons of God” mingled with the “daughters of men.” It says they were “the heroes of old, men of renown.” The Book of Numbers says: And they spread among the Israelites a bad report about the land they had explored. They said, ‘The land we explored devours those living in it. All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim there. We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.’ The Book of Jubilees describes the Nephilim as evil giants who God flooded the earth to wipe out. www.wisconsinsickness.com Steve Quayle has studied this subject for more than 20 years. I would recommend his book, “Genesis 6 Giants” www.genesis6giants.com With all of this information, why aren’t evolutionists talking about these giants? The Church is as ignorant, and we should be in the forefront discussing this because these giants are the result of Fallen Angels using mankind to take control of the earth. Jesus warned that it would be as it was in the days of Noah before His return. That prophecy is being unfolded now before us! |
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Plenty of Evidence Such as youtu.be Or. youtu.be "Exposing the Secret History of Giants and the Underground Hyperborean Gallery" With Rosia Montana being a mining area, a number of interesting discoveries have been unearthed there over the years – one of the most interesting being a skeleton of a 10 meter (32.8 feet) tall giant which was found in 1976. www.ancient-origins.net Unless L_S comes back with some semblance of an intelligent post it shall be ignored. Suggest posts actually address information provided! |
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stalhandske 08-Sep-18, 20:34 |
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Local Press www.cdapress.com There are no skeletons of races of giants. |
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Not Commonly Reported - Wonder Why? The following link expands on this subject: www.insearchoftruth.org Keeping the truth of giants secret help discredit the Biblical narrative – plain and simple. Especially, as I originally asserted, that it would help from embarrassing evolutionary scientists wouldn’t it? No giant bones – no Nephilim. No explanations necessary. And with the rest of Christendom in the dark about the Nephilim that only helps in perpetrating the evolutionary hoax. Some questions/ doubts have surfaced regarding the veracity of my premise – surprise! Well, with just a little digging I found these: “Ancient Egyptians, Grand Canyon” www.genesis6giants.com “Giant 7-8 Foot Skeletons Uncovered in Ecuador, Sent for Scientific Testing” In Beyond Science, Epoch Times explores research and accounts related to phenomena and theories that challenge our current knowledge. We delve into ideas that stimulate the imagination and open up new possibilities. Share your thoughts with us on these sometimes controversial topics in the comments section below. Strikingly tall skeletons uncovered in the Ecuador and Peru Amazon region are undergoing examination in Germany, according to a research team headed by British anthropologist Russell Dement. Will these remains prove that a race of tall people existed hundreds of years ago deep in the Amazonian rainforest? Since 2013, the team has reported finding half a dozen human skeletons dating to the early 1400s and the mid-1500s that measure between 7 and 8 feet (213 to 243 centimeters) in height. Dement told Cuenca Highlife: “We are very early in our research and I am only able to provide a general overview of what we have found. I don’t want to make claims based on speculation since our work is ongoing. Because of the size of the skeletons, this has both anthropological and medical implications.” www.genesis6giants.com “Ancient Greek Legend Seems to Describe a Place in Peru, Early Contact?” The universe is full of mysteries that challenge our current knowledge. In "Beyond Science" Epoch Times collects stories about these strange phenomena to stimulate the imagination and open up previously undreamed of possibilities. Are they true? You decide. In the 8th century B.C., the Greek poet Hesiod described in his “Theogony” a place at the end of the Earth where the gorgons dwell, where the god Atlas appears as a giant mountain, and where a great chasm contains treacherous seas. Hesiod’s description seems to match the mysterious labyrinth ruins of Chavin de Huantar in the Peruvian Andes, according to Dr. Enrico Mattievich, a retired Professor of Physics from the UFRJ, Brazil, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ). Dr. Mattievich wrote a book titled “Journey to the Mythological Inferno,” in 2011 which suggests the Greek epic hero Odysseus’s journey to the underworld is set in South America. Part of this book explores the similarities between Chavin de Huantar and Hesiod’s description. Not only do Hesiod’s geographical descriptions fit the site, local legends also match the Greek myth, and artifacts in the temple also seem to correspond. Geographical Similarities www.genesis6giants.com “Skull of Giant Found in 1940” This ancient giant skull (about twice the normal size) was found in 1940 in Victoria County, Texas. I don't know how tall this individual was, but he'd probably be able to lick salt of Yao Ming's scalp. Of course, you and I both know thousands of such skulls, and larger yet, have been found every friggin where on this planet.. Apparently Maui is a real hot spot of giant discoveries: 8 to 12 foot Red haired skeletons in lava caves were said to have been found behind Olowalu canyon some years back, and also at Ulupalakua, and the cemetaries around Waihee. I also did some research regarding the Red-headed Si-Te-Cah, and apparently Nevada State Museum still has some ancient giant woven SANDALS taken from lovelock cave that are almost 16 INCHES long, (equivalent to a Size 22 men's shoe) and were obviously worn by someone approximately 8 feet tall. —submitted by James Strouse www.genesis6giants.com “Mysterious 1947 News Report of Giant Desert Mummies Surfaces” The internet site of radio talk show host Jeff Rense (www.rense.coin) has unearthed a mysterious, unexplained, but very provocative clipping from the August 5, 1947 edition of the San Diego Union. According to the clipping, explorers had unearthed, near the Arizona-Nevada-California line, the mummified remains of strangely costumed giants which the discoverers dated to around 80,000 years ago. The Union reported that a Howard E. Hill of Los Angeles was recounting the work of Dr. F. Bruce Russell, a retired Cincinnati physician who had originally located the first of several tunnels near Death Valley in 1931, but had not been able to return to the area until 1947. With the help of Dr. Daniel S. Bovee, who with Hill's father had once helped open up New Mexico's cliff dwellings, Russell had recovered the remains of several men of 8 to 9 feet in height. "These giants," said Hill, "are clothed in garments consisting of a medium length jacket and trouser extending slightly below the knees. The texture of the material is said to resemble gray dyed sheepskin, but obviously it was taken from an animal unknown today." www.genesis6giants.com “Niagara’s Ancient Cemetery of Giants” "There were also deposited in this pit a number of axes and skimmers made of stone. In the jaws of several of the skeletons were large stone pipes -- one of which Mr. O. Wardell took with him to Toronto a day or two after this Golgotha was unearthed. "These skeletons are those of men of gigantic stature, some of them measuring nine feet, very few of them being less than seven feet. Some of the thigh bones were found to be at least a foot longer than those at present known, and one of the skulls being examined completely covered the head of an ordinary person. These skeletons are supposed to belong to those of a race of people anterior to the Indians. "Some three years ago, the bones of a mastodon were found embedded in the earth about six miles from this spot. The pit and its ghastly occupants are now open to the view of any who may wish to make a visit there." www.genesis6giants.com Here are a few references not commonly reported any more. |
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