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dmaestro 25-Dec-18, 18:13 |
 Confessing to “Apostasy”Frank once again you are getting ahead of yourself on misinformation a d conspiracies. All Darwin said was that God used evolution he was NO atheist. He was a Christian. You twisted the “confessing to a murder” comment to imply something else when he was simply talking about how the theory would be received. Many people of faith and a larger majority of even Americans agree now that life evolved. www.pewresearch.org Creationism is not an essential requirement for salvation at all. www.bethinking.org So no it isn’t apostasy. It doesn’t help your case when you spin off on false claims about Darwin. |
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Ascribing Attributes to Others As apparently you have; believing in evolution while giving lip service to God. According to the first article I found looking for evidence to refute your untenable claim I found information which substantiates by premise that the evolutionary theory undermines Christian faith. It stated Darwin did not entirely abandon his faith, but becoming an agnostic certainly did not increase or strengthen it! "The Evolution of Darwin" The scientist's problem with God did not spring from his theory. It was in 1859—exactly a century and a half ago—that Charles Darwin published his Origin of Species. It is perhaps the most controversial book of the past millennium, and the work that has since made Darwin the patron saint of modern atheism. According to Richard Dawkins in The Blind Watchmaker, "Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist." Evolution does seem to turn many Christians into unbelievers. A famous example is the distinguished Harvard biologist E. O. Wilson. Evolution gave him a profound sense of intellectual liberation from his Baptist upbringing in the South. Evolution also makes some people secular evangelists for the Darwinist cause. Michael Shermer was an evangelical Christian studying at Pepperdine University when his study of evolution convinced him to give up his faith. Shermer is now the editor of Skeptic magazine. So does a belief in evolution automatically lead to disbelief in God? Actually, Darwin didn't think that. Darwin was not an "intellectually fulfilled atheist"; rather, he called himself an agnostic. Atheists say God does not exist, while agnostics say they don't know one way or the other. Moreover, Darwin did not boast about his unbelief; rather, he approached it with marked public caution. Shocking the mores of traditional believers may be Dawkins's thing, but it certainly wasn't Darwin's. Here we must distinguish between Darwin the scientist and Darwin the unbeliever. www.christianitytoday.com God will have ALL OUR HEART and if we do not give it we will well hear "Depart from me, for I never knew you". Matthew 7:21-23 |
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dmaestro 26-Dec-18, 14:36 |
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Deflecting the Main Issue Here . . Darwin for reasons we may never know chose to stop having faith in God and in God alone to account for Creation. He became, by his own account, an agnostic. Nowhere have i said we have to believe in God as our Creator to be saved, but if a man or woman does not believe THAT, what does he believe in? |
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dmaestro 26-Dec-18, 16:30 |
The theory of evolution was the logical result of Darwin’s observations. At least the SDAs are more direct in saying Satan created a world where science can’t be trusted. The misrepresentation of Darwin does not help. www.americanthinker.com |
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dmaestro 26-Dec-18, 16:36 |
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The Satanic Deceptions |
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Apostasy Darwin's loss of faith had far more to do with the death of his beloved niece than it did his beautiful theory. Evolution is correct, and the reason we know so is because of the nested hierarchy of Linnaeus and because of the fossil record. Now, the fossil record initially only yielded relative dates based on sequences of strata and estimated rates of deposition and other geologic processes, but with the advent of absolute dating techniques we were able to set those dates in stone, both figuratively and literally. There is simply no denying evolution, as to do so gives ammunition to those claiming Christianity is a charade. You would not claim the Earth was flat, without undermining the Christian faith. Heed well, therefore, the words of St. Thomas Aquinas. |
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Saint Augustine It is a disgraceful and a dangerous thing for an unbeliever to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of scripture, talking nonsense on these topics. Many non-Christians are well-versed in Natural knowledge, so they can detect vast ignorance in such a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The danger is obvious-- the failure to conform interpretation to demonstrated ["Natural," or scientific] knowledge opens the interpreter, and by extension, Christianity as a whole, to ridicule for being unlearned. www.harvardichthus.org |
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They Sing About Living in a . . . Copernicus started it, and Darwin with Nietzsche and Marx finished it. They convinced the world that only materialism could be used to make sense of the reality we perceive. And more to the point, by this thinking, they convinced the world that the Biblical world view was suspicious at best, proved false at worst. This is Sciencetism. The Biblical narrative has not be proven false, it has been replaced by many as their preferred faith. (I'm visiting with friends this New Year's day. Therefore, I can not give your post the attention I need to respond with the substance it requires. But more to the point, you have detoured from the subject thread. Since you have included the issue of evolution my response will address that specifically.) Those thoughts did not come by a dream or a vision. If you (or anyone else) are willing to watch a video which explains this chain of social norms leading from the Bible being the foundational basis for understanding the world to "Sciencetism" (unproven theories) have replaced that watch this video. youtu.be |
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Disproving the Biblical Narrative The biblical narrative really has nothing to do with the explaining the scientific origins of life and everything else. That description is interesting in the aspect it states the universe DID have a beginning--one surprisingly consistent with that suggested by modern cosmology--when the allegorical nature of the Genesis story is considered. St. Augustine's warning is NOT departing from the subject thread, it is spot on. It explains the power Christians willingly cede to atheists in destroying Christianity. Embracing anti science is like offering those without faith a reason to disbelieve. The only more potent weapon Christians have against persuading unbelievers to reject Christianity is their enthusiastic embrace of President Trump. And as THAT is wandering off the topic of religion and science (not religion versus science) I'll leave this at that. |
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www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com Two Worldviews in Conflict creation.com Let me know what erroneous information you find in these links, okay? |
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serv That evidence is clear. |
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mo-one . . . That evidence is clear.>> Why people continue to perpetuate these unsubstantiated lies is only so that those who do not know better will parrot them to others who do not know better. The fact is the Bible is one of the best SUBSTANTIATED written records passed down to modernity available today. “Historicity of the Bible” The historicity of the Bible is the question of the Bible's "acceptability as a history", in the words of Thomas L. Thompson, a scholar who has written widely on this topic as it relates to the Old Testament.[1] This can be extended to the question of the Christian New Testamentas an accurate record of the historical Jesus and the Apostolic Age. Many fields of study span the Bible and history; such fields range from archeology and astronomy to linguistics and comparative literature. Scholars also examine the historical context of Bible passages, the importance ascribed to events by the authors, and the contrast between the descriptions of these events and other historical evidence. Archaeological discoveries since the 19th century are open to interpretation, but broadly speaking they lend support to few of the Old Testament's narratives as history and offer evidence to challenge others.[a][3][4][b][c][d][8][9][10] en.wikipedia.org “Biblical Archeology: Factual Evidence to Support the Historicity of the Bible” www.equip.org |
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service The "parroting" you speak of is also occurring from your side of the fence, friend. Miss interpretations in the bible are quite adequately exposed by Evolution, Relativity and wild eyed ideas about the all-loving God being vengeful and war like. |
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mo-one . . . Miss interpretations in the bible are quite adequately exposed by Evolution, Relativity and wild eyed ideas about the all-loving God being vengeful and war like. >> Which "lies" do you find being "parroted" from the Christian side, sir? As for any misinterpretations being exposed by evolution, relatively - pray tell; seems the Biblical narrative better explains what we perceive than those fanciful theories which you seem to believe. Ideas of "about the all-loving God being vengeful and war like." are more the misinterpretation of folks w/O faith IMO. Believers understand the difference between judgment/ justice and revenge. Or we should, may I add. Are these ideas about God your own - from your Bible reading, or perhaps, you heard another speak so? |
