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 AhThe text of the first message you sent me was lifted from the 2nd Amendment Club, in which you are not a moderator. I take it you are threatening to delete my other post here if I cannot defend the link and well documented source material I provided. Before we go any further, perhaps you might explain what the subject of the thread is. I took it to be the changing definition of marriage over time. You apparently have something else in mind. The second post in this thread is: What people have increasingly realized is that sexual orientation is more complex than once believed. Not everyone is born heterosexual. There is no reason we can’t let LGBTQ+ people live their lives without bigotry seeking lovel. Who are you to pass judgement? It turns out a significant number of anti gay activists are hypocritically in denial about their own issues. You never objected to any of this content (offered without numerous links and citations) as off topic, but instead addressed it reasonably and intelligently, without threatening heavy handed, meat fisted censorship. |
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lord_shiva. . . God's instructions to “be fruitful and multiply” were given on two occasions. The first was at the beginning of Creation, to the first man and woman. Given the plans God had in asking them to “increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it.” The second time was somewhat similar in that it was immediately after the Flood. Again, with there being a need to replenish the earth repopulating the earth was very important. (Genesis 9:7) As for the premise that “where our population has already outrun sustainable resources.”, you do not take into consideration that God controls the weather and whether of not regions have sufficient amounts of rain or not. “God Controls the Weather and the Fate of Nations” www.prophecyproof.org “Weather: God's Sovereignty Over” bible.knowing-jesus.com A recent case in point which I would have everybody to consider is how Israel has been so blessed in that dry and arid area to the point that she actually exports produce. “The Surprising Source of Israel's Edible Exports” www.israel21c.org As for “ 21 of the world's 37 aquifers are being used faster than they are replenished.”, maybe those needing more water/ rain could review my links above? << Also, I could not help but note with wry amusement that you offer zero support for you contention that homosexual marriage is either deviant OR harmful. Deviant is certainly a subjective word. What is deviant to one person is perfectly normal to another. >> << To whom is gay marriage harmful? >> Here is some documentation, on this subject. “Health Risks of Homosexual Lifestyle” www.catholiceducation.org “Is Homosexuality a Health Risk?” downloads.frc.org “Homosexuals Face Greater Health Risks than Heterosexuals” www.lifesitenews.com “Health Care Problems of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Patients” www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov << Arranged heterosexual marriages might be harmful. >> << Scott Pederson - en.wikipedia.org >> Try checking out these statistics? “Violence Among the LGBT” scholar.google.com << Rebuttal www.pinknews.co.uk >> Your link above is skewered and biased I assert in light of the many articles and information in the links I provided. |
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dmaestro. . . Look up some of the health problems associated with the LGBT lifestyle. And ask yourself if this is how God blesses His people? |
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I think there is a greater understanding that responsible sex, committed relationship and gay marriage addresses these health issues just as it does with heterosexuals. Which is where younger evangelicals are in their thinking. We don’t marry people at or before puberty anymore and lifespans now far exceed those in ancient times. Instead of condemning gays as going to hell anyway we should support them in this effort. My point is there are people who are essentially born gay and no one is born perfect. It’s not my place to demand they conform to ancient ideas about sexuality anymore than I would support Deuteronomic law. |
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Lord_shiva. . . This is Jim Inhofe's argument--that we can pollute to our heart's content because God promised Noah with the rainbow He would never flood the Earth again. >> << The pastor of my church told us a story about a woman who wrote a check for something she needed when she did not have the funds to cover that check. Then she prayed to Jesus to put the funds in her account to prevent the check from bouncing. >> As captain of this club, and as a devout Christian besides, I can not allow anybody (moderators included) to make light or share anecdotes which do not honor the Christian faith. The posts above fall into that criteria. Therefore, you will delete them or I shall. But more to the point your posts DO NOT address the subject of the thread. You may begin another thread about the weather and God's control of weather if you wish. |
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A Dangerous and Destructive Trend Pondering whether this is accurate is not dishonoring Christian faith. The checking anecdote illustrates misplacing faith. Like with snake handlers of great faith--sometimes the snakes bite despite. |
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dmaestro. . . Instead of condemning gays as going to hell anyway we should support them in this effort. My point is there are people who are essentially born gay and no one is born perfect. It’s not my place to demand they conform >> Our (the Christian faith) is founded on Biblical doctrines passed down to us from previous generations. These Biblical doctrines are based on understanding what God's Word is. That Word has not changed because God is as immutable as the written Word. When you say, “Which is where younger evangelicals are in their thinking”, would that include “twisting the Gospel”? “Here is How the New Christian Left is Twisting the Gospel” It's painful for me to admit, but we can no longer rest carefree in our evangelical identity—because it is changing. No doubt you have seen the headlines declaring that evangelicalism is doomed because evangelical kids are leaving the faith. It is no secret that there is an expanding gulf between traditional Christian teachings and contemporary moral values. But the sad truth is that the ideological gulf between America's evangelical grown-ups and their kids, aka the millennials, seems to be widening too. www.charismamag.com Or possibly, and more likely, what you are proposing here is due more to . . . “False Converts and Fashionable Christians” We continue to water down the gospel and forget the message of holiness and sanctification. Any teaching that opens the door to false assurance and loose living is not from God. A wave of watered-down and milquetoast "Churchianity" has flooded the church world. A nonconfrontational gospel has failed miserably to deal with sin and repentance. We have forgotten that the central message of the gospel is that Jesus came to save us from our sins (Matt. 1:21), not in our sins. He didn't just come to forgive us of our sins, but to free us from our sins. This is one of the most tragic fundamental errors we have made in our contemporary gospel, and it largely explains the degradation in our society today. A weak church has opened the way for the devil's onslaught. www.charismanews.com “The Dangers of Lukewarm 'Christians' Preaching Water-down Christianity” latterdaysense.org In reaching the world for Christ we should consider Paul's message to the Greeks on Mars Hill. Acts 17:22 – 31. He did not preach anything bur Christ Jesus and Him crucified. << Instead of condemning gays as going to hell anyway we should support them in this effort. My point is there are people who are essentially born gay and no one is born perfect. It’s not my place to demand they conform >> Brother, (are you? Have you been born again?), it is not our place to “condemn” anybody. That is not what I am doing. However, in your “support” of gays and others living in open rebellion to God's will is not a good thing for you or them. IMO. Hope you will reassess your stance, friend. Are you sure this is God's will for you? In closing, I would ask: Where do you find Biblical precedent for Christians "supporting" gays? |
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lord_shiva. . . is to exhaust finite resources. YOU brought up that gays are not fruitfully multiplying, and that God will make it rain for those in drought stricken regions. Pondering whether this is accurate is not dishonoring Christian faith. The checking anecdote illustrates misplacing faith. Like with snake handlers of great faith--sometimes the snakes bite despite. >> << << Personally, if I aim my loaded shotgun at my foot and pray to Jesus to allow no harm to befall me if I squeeze the trigger, I am an idiot when shards of foot splatter the floor. Jesus answers the prayers of fools with all the pain and suffering they bring upon themselves. Deuteronomy 6:16 says, “You shall not put the Lord your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah." How did the people test God at Massah? I don't know. Probably by doing a rain dance? >> Correct, it is good and wise to “exhaust finite resources” in order to discover whether or not my assertions that the LGBT trend is “a dangerous and destructive trend”. However, your << Personally, if I aim my loaded shotgun at my foot and pray to Jesus to allow no harm to befall me if I squeeze the trigger, I am an idiot when shards of foot splatter the floor. Jesus answers the prayers of fools with all the pain and suffering they bring upon themselves. >>, crosses over into my assertion “I can not allow anybody (moderators included) to make light or share anecdotes which do not honor the Christian faith.”, would you not agree? Also, your << Deuteronomy 6:16 says, “You shall not put the Lord your God to the test, as you tested him at Massah." How did the people test God at Massah? I don't know. Probably by doing a rain dance? >> isn't very edifying neither. Remove that post or its coming down by my hand! |
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Gay Agenda in Schools Kerby Anderson summarizes the efforts currently underway to implement a gay agenda in our public schools, identifying some of the negative consequences. Looking at this initiative from a biblical worldview perspective, he suggests actions that Christians should take in response to these actions. Since the early 1990s gay activists and various homosexual groups have been using strategies that provide them with greater access to public schools. Usually the focus is upon making the schools a safer place for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and transsexual students, thereby justifying the introduction of topics and speakers on the subject of homosexuality. And the establishment of homosexual clubs on campus provides an ongoing program to continue to introduce homosexuality to students on campus. Two key organizations are the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) and Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG). Both have been helpful in establishing a foothold for homosexual speakers, programs, and curricula. Perhaps the most effective wedge used by gay activists to open the door to the public schools has been concern over student safety. Kevin Jennings. Executive Director for GLSEN, explained in a speech how the “safety” issue was a most effective strategy: In Massachusetts, the effective reframing of this issue was the key to the success of the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth. We immediately seized upon the opponent’s calling card–safety–and explained how homophobia represents a threat to students’ safety by creating a climate where violence, name-calling, health problems, and suicide are common. Titling our report “Making Schools Safe for Gay and Lesbian Youth,” we automatically threw our opponents onto the defensive and stole their best line of attack. This framing short-circuited their arguments and left them back-pedaling from day one.{1} The strategy has obviously been successful because no one would want to be against making the schools a safer environment. It almost doesn’t matter whether the allegations are true. Once you raise the concern of safety, most administrators, teachers, and parents quickly fall in line. There is an irony in all of this. Many of the behaviors that are taught and affirmed in these school programs and clubs are unsafe in term of public health. For example, Pediatrics (Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics) reported on a Harvard study that found more than thirty risks positively associated with self-reported gay-lesbian-bisexual (GLB) orientation.{2} So it is indeed ironic that the idea of “safety” is often used as means to introduce teaching and discussion of behaviors that have been proven to be quite “unsafe.” Is there any legal liability when schools permit and even promote the teaching of homosexual education the campus? One group (Citizens for Community Values) believes there is a potential liability. The group has published a manual documenting the potential liability that schools, administrators, and teachers might face. The following is a brief summary of much more information that can be found in the document “The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexual Education in Public Schools.”{8} Life expectancy—The International Journal of Epidemiology found that gay and bisexual men involved in homosexual behavior cut off years from their lives. One study showed that “life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men.” They therefore concluded that if “the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday.”{9} Sexually transmitted diseases—The danger of various STDs, including HIV infection in homosexual relationships, has been well documented through many studies. The Medical Institute for Sexual Health says that “Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices. Women who have sex with women are at significantly increased risk of bacterial vaginosis, breast cancer and ovarian cancer than are heterosexual women.”{10} Other health risk behaviors—A study by Harvard University of over four thousand ninth- to twelfth-grade students found that gay-lesbian-bisexual “youth report disproportionate risk for a variety of health risk and problem behaviors” and they found that they “engage in twice the mean number of risk behaviors as did the overall population.”{11} Mental health—A study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry found those engaging in homosexual behavior have a much higher incidence of mental health problems. “The findings support the assumption that people with same-sex sexual behavior are at greater risk for psychiatric disorders.”{12} Permitting and promoting homosexual activity through on-campus programs and clubs will certainly increase homosexual behavior among students. Administrators, teachers, and parents should reconsider the impact these programs, and the subsequent behavior, will have on the student body. A Biblical Response When we talk about the issue of homosexuality, it is important to keep two biblical principles in tension. On the one hand we must stay true to our biblical convictions, and on the other hand we should reach out with biblical compassion. Essentially this is the balance between truth and love. On the one hand, it is crucial for us to understand how the homosexual agenda threatens to normalize and even promote homosexuality within the schools. Moreover, gay activists are pushing an agenda in the courts, the legislature, the schools, and the court of public opinion that will ultimately threaten biblical authority and many of our personal and religious freedoms. Christians, therefore, must stand for truth. I have provided a brief overview of the groups and programs that are promoting the gay agenda in the public schools. I encourage you to find out what is happening in your community. We have also documented the potential legal liability associated with many of the behaviors that are encouraged by these programs. Often administrators and teachers are unaware of the potential dangers associated with homosexual education in the schools. Take time to share this information with them. 1.“‘Governor’s Commission for Gay Youth’ Retreats to ‘Safety’ and ‘Suicide’,” The Massachusetts News, December 2000. 2. Robert Garofalo, et. al., “The Association Between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-based Sample of Adolescents,” Pediatrics, 101 (5), May 1998, 895-902. 8. “The Legal Liability Associated with Homosexual Education in Public Schools,” Citizens for Community Values, www.ccv.org/Legal_Liability_of_Homosexuality_Education.htm. 9. R. S. Hogg, et. al., “Modeling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men,” International Journal of Epidemiology, 26 (1997), 657-661. 10. “Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality,” Monograph published by The Medical Institute for Sexual Health, 1999. 11. Robert Garofalo, Pediatrics, 1998. 12. Theo G.M Sandfort, et. al., “Same-Sex Sexual Behavior and Psychiatric Disorders,” Archives of General Psychiatry, Vol. 58 (1) January 2001, 85-91. probe.org |
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dmaestro 28-Jul-18, 18:46 |
How many gays do you actually know IHS? |
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This is denial in the extreme. The number of homosexuals which I know personally has NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING. You are deflecting from acknowledging the facts of our modern world. Really, I am truly sad for you. What is more distressing , besides your inability to deal with coming to terms how Christians can and should deal with this issue is that you will lead others astray from finding the truth. On many levels. Perhaps you may grow up enough so you can again engage with God's agenda in a meaningful way. |
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dmaestro 28-Jul-18, 20:42 |
That’s why a majority of young Christians now support gay marriage as an option and welcome them. |
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dmaestro 28-Jul-18, 20:49 |
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I Have to Agree With Dmaestro I meant no disrespect to anyone's faith. There was a man who had his girlfriend shoot him in the chest with a .45 caliber Desert Eagle, because he thought his bullet proof vest would protect him. My post was directed at misplaced faith. Regardless of your faith, the laws of physics are not to be trifled. If the guy wanted to test his vest, he could have fired the .45 without wearing it. A vest does not become a better defense by being worn by someone upright, of moral virtue, or who has a pleasant personality. F=ma. This is physics. Ballistics, materials science, these determine bullet penetration depth. If I think because I shelled out $1250 for a vest it should stop a .45, who am I kidding? Myself. That route leads to an early grave. This was all I was trying to illustrate--not to mock or ridicule religious belief. |
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Your links offer me some sobering material for contemplation. At the very least I will need to take some time to research this matter further. I intend to run it by some of my friends who I trust and respect as well. It certainly makes me stop and consider whether or not this “agenda” is not driven by others who's only intent is to divide and make the Christian faith a powerless novelty or worse. It would be helpful if you and lord_shiva could provide links from credible and respected sources which would shed more light on this issue, please? At the very least I do believe LGBT people are necessarily self destructive, which most of the negative information I have been reading is suggesting. |
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dmaestro 29-Jul-18, 10:48 |
The basic issue is that we now understand a certain percentage of people are homosexual naturally whicn requires compassion over judgement. I won’t say they are happier because that’s not accurate and it’s obviously harder in a straight oriented world but neither are left handed people or dwarfs. I think some consideration is required into why we are spirits not just bodies and sometimes the match isn’t ideal and the question of John 9:2-3 as to why people are born certain ways. |
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I Cited a Study There are some good points raised in the following article: time.com 4. Condemning same-sex relationships is harmful to the LGBT community. Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount that good trees bear good fruit, while bad trees bear bad fruit. The church’s rejection of same-sex relationships has caused tremendous, needless suffering to the LGBT community—bad fruit. Those harmful consequences should make Christians open to reconsidering the church’s traditional teaching. Tony Campolo raises excellent points in the following: www.premierchristianity.com |
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dmaestro. . . Those Christians who are siding with this agenda, and it is an agenda, as expressly stated by the first Gay strategists Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, (1). This agenda included "raising serious theological objections to conservative biblical teachings." And these Christians who are leaving the church are as deceived as the individuals taken in by this lifestyle. (1) Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear & Hatred of Gays in the 90's, Penguin Books USA, New York, 1989, p. 179. My “default” stance is due to the eternal truths of God's Word which do not change regardless of mans opinions. “10 Things Everyone Should Know About Homosexuality” www.focusonthefamily.com In one of your links it highlights the personal struggles of one contemplating whether or not to attend a church where they “were not welcomed” because of their Gay lifestyle. Or some such sentiment. This was designed to pull at my heart's compassionate side, obviously. Nonetheless, whether one is in bondage to sexual perversion, drugs or gambling, asking help by God's grace to be set free is the only Biblical solution. (See Truths 1-3 in link above) In my previous post I made the comment << It certainly makes me stop and consider whether or not this “agenda” is not driven by others who's only intent is to divide and make the Christian faith a powerless novelty or worse. >> It was an honest and transparent sentiment. If nothing else it underscores my desire to be truthful and honest in my sharing with those reading these posts. Regardless of popular sentiment and the lies spreading about the “backwardness” or how “old fashioned” some Christians are, those who desire to honor God and live for His glory can not and will not yield to the pressures to conform to this movement. You asked me to read some links, which I did. Here are a couple for you to read. “Revisionist Gay Theology: Did God Really Say . , ,?” www.focusonthefamily.com “Do Not Be Deceived: Christ Forbids Homosexual Acts” www.ncregister.com |
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dmaestro. . . << The basic issue is that we now understand a certain percentage of people are homosexual naturally whicn requires compassion over judgement. >> My word for you here and others who are trying to reinterpret Scripture is from James 4:11 “Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.” Followers/ Disciples of Jesus should be obeying the Bible not asking God to change His Mind! Homosexuality is not “normal” - it is a deviant lifestyle choice. God calls it sin. Plain and simple. << and the question of John 9:2-3 as to why people are born certain ways. >> You twist and misinterpret Scripture here. See following link, please? biblehub.com |
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Then you just are not praying hard enough. You should pray harder, until the Lord reveals His will. Believe me--it is NOT aligned with the Westboro Baptists who picket funerals of US soldiers with placards explaining that we should "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" because this is how God reveals to us His hatred of homosexuals. media.timesfreepress.com Homosexuality cannot be any more dangerous or destructive than heterosexuality, can it? I mean--homosexuals never risk being in a situation requiring abortion. Heterosexuals are aborting all the time. Over six hundred thousand times a year, in the US alone. While I personally find that trend a good thing (it is falling), you might regard it as destructive or dangerous. I think we both agree that birth is much more dangerous than abortion, but homosexuals NEVER have abortions as a consequence of what they do. Heterosexuals: Six hundred thousand (600,000) abortions per year. Homosexuals: Zero. Zero (0) per year. That is, if we throw out the abortions for rape. We know some lesbians are raped and choose abortion--but I'm not counting them in this statistic. You have to wonder at the reasoning by anyone demanding gays adopt a lifestyle that would put them at risk for unintended pregnancy. |
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Straightening Biblical Exegesis The younger evangelicals have a greater view of historical perspective and context. Their understanding must surely be greater than that of the older generation much stuck in its ways. Hidebound. Resistant to positive change. When an old person does something wrong they tend to do the same wrong thing again and again, never learning from their mistake, insisting that "you cannot teach an old dog new tricks." With age comes obstinance and a narrowing of perspective. www.mtfca.com We used to have a remarkable pharmacopeia to deal with the pressures geriatric onset senile agitation, such as Thorazine. |
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lord_shiva. . . media.timesfreepress.com It is not a matter of praying harder. You have not looked at those links I have posted showing plainly God's will concerning this issue, obviously. Your next post needs to address this or do not bother to post. What you assert the Westboro Baptists do in picketing funerals of US soldiers has nothing to do with the central premise of my tread. This is about misplaced bigotry using the name of Jesus to justify hate. That is not what I am trying to do in this tread. But you, lord_shiva are very good at “muddying the waters and bringing (or trying to) confusion. I will not tolerate that on my club. << Homosexuality cannot be any more dangerous or destructive than heterosexuality, can it? I mean--homosexuals never risk being in a situation requiring abortion. >> Again, what does abortion have to do with what this tread is trying to do? You are confusing issues, which I will not accept. Come back with more reasoned explanation concerning abortions and homosexuality or its going to be deleted. |
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lord_shiva. . . See previous links, please? |
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Enough to Make You Sick (Very Ill) Some state laws are written to prevent parents even from opting their children out of the indoctrination From California to Minnesota to the District of Columbia, the transgender agenda has infiltrated the classrooms of even the most tender youth. Last week Alexandra DeSanctis reported for National Review Online about the “transition ceremony” hosted by a kindergarten teacher at California’s Rocklin Academy Gateway to celebrate a gender-dysphoric boy donning the attire and appellation of a little girl. As DeSanctis noted, the shocked and angry parents of the Rocklin pupils had not received advance notice of the “lesson” and learned of the events only when their confused children returned home. www.google.com |
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What is Gender Identity? 1 . Men and women are similar, but different. They complement each other, and both are valuable, good and necessary. Many cultures have recognized that some men struggle or fail to embrace their masculinity and may act more effeminate. Likewise, some women seem to act more masculine or even take on a male persona. But the contemporary “transgender” movement originated in the 1950s when Dr. John Money coined the term “gender identity.” He used the term to differentiate between sex (being male or female, a biological reality) and gender (a psychological or spiritual condition, including a person’s thoughts, beliefs and feelings about being male or female.) Money borrowed the term “gender” from linguistics, where it described masculine, neuter or feminine parts of speech. He believed “gender” was socially determined and learned by people. He thought children were blank slates and could be brought up to be either gender—regardless of bodily sex. The term “gender” also came to describe the roles men and women take and the ways they express their gender through language, dress and behavior. Some ideas developed by Money include: “Gender” is different from biological “sex”; Six (or more) variables define a person’s “gender;” including: Chromosomes, internal reproductive organs, a person’s “assigned” sex, and more; Gender is learned; it is a social construct; and, therefore, it can be assigned and taught; “Gender Identity” is what people think, believe and feel about themselves; and “Gender Roles” are those prescribed by society. Money effectively separated biological reality ― the human body as male or female ― from a person’s thoughts, decisions, feelings and beliefs, what Christians would call the human soul. This is a form of the ancient gnostic heresies, which taught that the soul was good and the body was bad, that the body does not matter, and that you could do what you wished with your body and the soul was not affected. This is the opposite of Judeo-Christian teaching, which is that we are embodied-souls ― body, soul and spirit are connected. The incarnation of Jesus Christ in human form affirms the value of our human bodies. The Idea of 'Gender Identity Grows and Spreads The social turmoil of the 1960s and 1970s helped spread Money’s false ideas and beliefs. In addition, those decades brought the rise of other social and ideological movements, including radical feminism, the sexual revolution and the gay activist movement. Radical feminists, in particular, latched onto the idea that “gender is a social construct.” Their belief includes the idea that there are no real differences between men and women (except, perhaps for a few reproductive hormones and organs). Confusing, inconsistent and often contradictory ideas about “gender” are widespread in academia 2 , the media, pop culture and some political groups. They may say things, such as: “Men and women are not different.” “A man can be trapped in a woman’s body.” “A person can be both male and female.” “There are five sexes.” “Some people are neither male nor female.” “There are an infinite number of ‘genders’ or ‘gender identities.’“ “You may have an infinite number of genders inside you.” “People may choose their own gender.” “Gender is fluid.” “Gender is purely a social construct.” Many of today’s high school or college students and been taught to believe these ideas, without really thinking them through. They struggle with saying men and women are different, explaining how they might be different, or telling others why those differences matter. Sadly, even Christians are buying gender ideology ― in opposition to Scripture and physical reality. www.focusonthefamily.com |
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