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thumper 21-Aug-19, 15:26	Stal www.washingtonpost.com You can discover this as well as I. What do you consider 'evidence'? I could fill this thread with example after example that support my contention that 'free exercise of opposing ideas is not generally allowed in most institutions here'.
stalhandske 21-Aug-19, 15:33	Thumper Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, I cannot open that link (without paying for it). I think you know what I consider evidence. You giving examles in your own words would be fine with me. I trust you. My point is that if American learned institutions don't allow free exercise of opposing ideas, then something is wrong. And I mean VERY wrong! And very alarming, too, which is why it would be so important to openly demonstrate examples.
ptitroque 21-Aug-19, 15:33	How, how ! Gentlemen, I suggest that we calm ourselves. Please, Thumper, provide proves, or at least examples. Shall I suggest Could you name high level scientists (in any field) who have learned all that they know on internet ? The scientific community is full of debates, hold by people who argument and counter argument such or such theories. Most of them are university teachers. Obviously, those arguments have to be based on scientific method. It's perfectly allowed to refute Darwin if your arguments are scientific ones, not biblical ones  , for they belong to another sphere than knowledge.
stalhandske 21-Aug-19, 15:39	Thumper Ptitroque has a good point (again). He seems as surprised as I am about your claim that universities dont allow free exercise of opposing ideas. Of course, there are such isolated incidences. One right here in my own university! But generally, this is not typical of universities - on the contrary!
mo-oneandmore 21-Aug-19, 17:22	Thumper's Washington Post link argues that students (not universities) are becoming less tolerant of racist/sexist speech and less tolerant of radical/disruptive speakers. The article also stated that students are now trending more liberal and do not tolerate political dogma much further right than mid right. Yes: There are Universities that have established rules of engagement for speeches, rallies and public talk-talk on campus.
ace-of-aces 21-Aug-19, 18:11	Storm area 51 ? youtu.be This is INSANE! 100,000 people are planning to take AREA 51 BY STORM! youtu.be What is all about area 51 ? It is a restricted air force base area where weapons are tested. It is a waste of time to go there but up to 1-2 millions are expected to go there.
stalhandske 21-Aug-19, 20:57	Thanks, mo-one, for the clarification. That's really something very different from what thumper claimed. So the claim that "American learned institutions don't allow free exercise of opposing ideas" falls back in the absence of any given evidence or even indication.
thumper 21-Aug-19, 21:25	Stal Sorry but I can't jump when you want and answer when you say. I just got back from another call so excuse me. Mo, nice to see you accurately interpret that article. lol BTW Stal, there are hundreds of such reports. If you really wanted to know you only have to look. I know you know how to research.
mo-oneandmore 22-Aug-19, 04:41	<<<That's really something very different from what thumper claimed>>> Of course it is. What did you expect from a near mirror image of IHS?
ptitroque 22-Aug-19, 04:48	Mo and thumper "students (not universities) are becoming less tolerant of racist/sexist speech and less tolerant of radical/disruptive speakers." It reinforces my analyse that the gap between Dems and Trump's voters in the US is a social one : the higher educated people against the rest. It's bad news because it means that the gap is deepening.
stalhandske 22-Aug-19, 04:59	Thumper <BTW Stal, there are hundreds of such reports. If you really wanted to know you only have to look. I know you know how to research.> You just gave one example only, and even that was beside the point. So, I don't bother to do any further research. A waste of time.
zorroloco 22-Aug-19, 05:45	Stal Thumper will never respond to these types of queries. It’s just his way... I’m still waiting for a bunch of responses... but he conveniently always has something else to do.
stalhandske 22-Aug-19, 05:52	Zorro It's just frustrating to first give a strong statement of quite a serious issue, and then just fail to provide even just a little evidence for it. I guess I haven't yet learned to just ignore.
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